Test/Deca/Winstrol

[CAMPO]

I recently bought 2 bottles of Test-200, 1 bottle of Deca -200, and 1 bottle Winstrol -100. I was wondering what would be the best way to run this?

Also I bought a bottle of Clomid-50 for PCT

[Big]

{sigh}
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?
pct knowledge?

[CAMPO]

23
5'9
170
not sure on body fat
training for a solid 2 years
my pct knowledge could be better

This will be my first cycle and from what ive been reading is a good solid cycle

[Big]

First cycles should be test only.

[Phate]

first cycle should be test only, here are some reason's why

1. Your receptors are fresh so a test first cycle will yield VERY GOOD results as long as your diet, which is the most important part of bodybuilding, and training is on point.

2. Because of gyno and estrogen related sides, deca is a bad choice for a first cycle as it is a progestrine, let me elaborate a bit on this. Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

as you can see, running deca for a first cycle can be risky especially if you are afraid of gyno

3.Oh yes, there's more, deca is a 19nor and is very supressive so the pct is going to have to be more intensive and thus more expensive


and before you ask, the deca and winny are good for at least 3 years so save them for your second or third cycle

next matter, before we get to the test only cycle, is your diet, diet is the main factor and must be perfect or damn close to achieve the results you want,

post your diet for critiquing

[10nispro]

You have lots to research.

[CAMPO]

Alright.. i will set the other bottles a side for a later cycle

Well for the first cycle i will have 2 bottles of Test-200 and a bottle of Clomid-50

Suggestions?

[Big]

Alright.. i will set the other bottles a side for a later cycle

Well for the first cycle i will have 2 bottles of Test-200 and a bottle of Clomid-50

Suggestions?

Yes, I suggest you read and study until you can propose a cycle and pct, and we will help you tweak it.

[10nispro]

Hey Phate, do have that as a sticky, because I know your fingers have to get tired.

All though, it is fantastic information.

Keep things as basic as possible.

[10nispro]

What's up Big?

[Phate]

Alright.. i will set the other bottles a side for a later cycle

Well for the first cycle i will have 2 bottles of Test-200 and a bottle of Clomid-50

Suggestions?

here ya go, read ALL OF THIS and you will have a good base of knowledge, then propose a cycle and diet and we will tweak it, i know it looks like alot but it's all good info

DIET HELP

here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

WORKOUT

PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS – Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS – cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Before Bed – Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5

Each chicken meal served with a handful of fibrous green veg bringing carbs to approx 200g per day in total.

CARDIO

cardio is, but the type of cardio is what he's talking about, running is not the best for fat burning

for low intensity long duration cardio i would use a stationary bike or walk at 3.0-4.0mph on a high incline for 30-50minutes

for HIIT training i would use a stairstepper, elliptical or stationary bike and do this
5minutes warm up
1min at 40-50% of max effort
30sec at 85-90% max effort
1min at 40-50% of max effort
30sec at 85-90% max effort
continue that for 15-20 minutes or until you can't go any more
then cool down for 5 minutes

low intensity will burn more calories from fat but will also burn less total calories as the intensity isn't as high as HIIT

HIIT training will burn a lower percentage of calories from fat, though not by much, i think the study i read said 10-12% max, but will burn many more calories total and will increase metabolism for up to 24 hours after cardio, this is called the afterburn effect, where you burn extra calories because of an increase in metabolic output

to give you an estimate i wlll outline one of my cardio routines

low intensity
3.2-3.5mph 8%incline on treadmill for 30minutes burns 350cal

HIIT
using what i outlined above i burn close to 500cal in 20-25minutes plus the extra that i get afterwards



TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...
UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...
Appetite For Construction
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Testosterone Enanthate

Dianabol
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
Pheedno's PCT

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

All you need to know about GYNO.

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

[physicslifter]

I recently bought 2 bottles of Test-200, 1 bottle of Deca -200, and 1 bottle Winstrol -100. I was wondering what would be the best way to run this?

Also I bought a bottle of Clomid-50 for PCT

Go here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

and read all of the links, then go to the Educational subforum and read everything there...

[Phate]

Hey Phate, do have that as a sticky, because I know your fingers have to get tired.

All though, it is fantastic information.

Keep things as basic as possible.

naw, i use this to give my fingers a workout, lol, jk

yeah, all the posts i write like this that i think i will use again i first posted in a message on my profile, but i used up all the room so i just transfer them to microsoft word and then copy and paste them to here

btw, ya'll are welcome to copy and paste them into word or whatever so you can paste them like i do, i find that it makes it easier than typing out how to run a test only first cycle a thousand times a night

[CAMPO]

well i appreciate all of this... i will get back to everyone before i start my test only cycle to make sure i have everything set.. but i must say there are alot of people on here who just jump into cycles without proper knowledge

[Phate]

well i appreciate all of this... i will get back to everyone before i start my test only cycle to make sure i have everything set.. but i must say there are alot of people on here who just jump into cycles without proper knowledge

yeah, but imagine what is going on in the world right now, the people on here are at least on a steroid forum(and the best one if i do say so myself thanks to the amazing mods, vets, and members) but most people just get the stuff, inject it, and then do whatever and next thing you know everyone's mad at steroids because they are "dangerous" and "poisonous", you just never hear that 99% of the people that get hurt used them incorrectly and without knowledge or reason

[10nispro]

Those who jump into shallow water without testing it, welll, you take it from there. You did the right thing by asking questions. Like Phate said, gear will last a while and you can feel safe knowing you listened to us and did things correctly.

Just because you hear, "all the others are doing it this way", doesn't mean that they are doing it correctly. It's a purpose of this site and members to help others at the best of our ability and we seemed to do it better than others. Take your time, read, follow some posts, and then you will do yourself justice.

[Phate]

Those who jump into shallow water without testing it, welll, you take it from there. You did the right thing by asking questions. Like Phate said, gear will last a while and you can feel safe knowing you listened to us and did things correctly.

Just because you hear, "all the others are doing it this way", doesn't mean that they are doing it correctly. It's a purpose of this site and members to help others at the best of our ability and we seemed to do it better than others. Take your time, read, follow some posts, and then you will do yourself justice.

confucious say....lol, nice post, very good insight and straight to the point

[CAMPO]

alright just so i am in the right direction tell me if this sounds good

1-12 400mg/week

and for the pct i have clomid which should be taken 2 weeks after last shot and for the first 2 weeks 100mg/week then last 2 weeks 50mg/week

also i found this stuff caled novedex XT from gnc.. any suggestions in adding this into my pct?

[Phate]

alright just so i am in the right direction tell me if this sounds good

1-12 400mg/week

and for the pct i have clomid which should be taken 2 weeks after last shot and for the first 2 weeks 100mg/week then last 2 weeks 50mg/week

also i found this stuff caled novedex XT from gnc.. any suggestions in adding this into my pct?

right direction, but reread phneedo's pct, thats the one you should use for your test only cycle, you are missing one key part of the pct

no, gnc stuff won't help you here, it is a knockoff, notice that it's spelled novadex instead of nolvadex , that allows them to put whatever they want in it, i guarentee it doesn't have any actual nolva

[10nispro]

If you need help finding all your pct, click on the red banner at the top of the page.

As phate said, you are going in the right direction, just read it more than once. Sometimes I read old posts just to reinfuse my brain.

[CAMPO]

thank you for your input on the gnc product..

PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

alright there is the info i need lol... now where can i find these products such as (.25mg L-dex and 20mg nolva)? and are these pill form?

PHATE you help is GREATLY APPRECIATED!

[Phate]

no prob bro, if you look at the posts, notice that some words are blue, they are hyperlinks, click on nolva and liquidex in this post and it will take you to them

[CAMPO]

Phate this is pretty much the perfect PCT Package

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...roducts_id=129

[Phate]

Phate this is pretty much the perfect PCT Package

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...roducts_id=129

it's basically phneedo's pct all in one click, and it is a good pct for a test only cycle

but when you add deca , tren , or any 19nor AS which is very suppressive you're going to gave to get this stuff and some others

like i put in the earlier post on why not to add deca for a first cycle, it makes things more expensive

[Civic0]

perfect combo for having the dick stop working. !!

[CAMPO]

Oh alright i understand what you meant now

I will keep you updated on my results when i start the Test cycle..

now since im a "newbie" where would be the correct place to keep you updated?

[CAMPO]

The dick stop working?

explain

[Phate]

Oh alright i understand what you meant now

I will keep you updated on my results when i start the Test cycle..

now since im a "newbie" where would be the correct place to keep you updated?

you can start a log in this section and just post everyday or week or whatever, it will be bumped to the top and i'm on here everyday so i'll see it, or you can pm me as you go through the cycle, or both, it's whatever

[10nispro]

The dick stop working?

explain

He is talking about deca dick....deca can be very suppresive by itself, so you want to take it with test. Also, a good pct will help your body restore you test levels where they need to be so you can have and erection without taking cialis.

Keep us updated and posted on things that you learn and do.

[CAMPO]

Well i just got my cycle today and it is Test-E 200mg/1ml.. im not going to be starting it right away going to go spend some $$$ at the grocery store

so got a diet plan for bulking phate? lol

[Phate]

Well i just got my cycle today and it is Test-E 200mg/1ml.. im not going to be starting it right away going to go spend some $$$ at the grocery store

so got a diet plan for bulking phate? lol

if you want to lean bulk then do this

Meal 1: 80g Oatmeal/300cal/10gP-54gC-3gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 2: 80g Oatmeal/300cal/10gP-54gC-30gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 3: 80g Oatmeal/300cal/10gP-54gC-3gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

Meal 6: Tuna 300cal/75gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

[CAMPO]

Sounds Great i will keep you posted on my gains... quick question? what does this mean
turkey (99/1)
beef (96/4)