Good alternative to Deca?

[SuperLift]

Hi, i am trying to put together my next cycle which I wanted to run test/deca. For some reason I am unable to find and deca, but can get a hold of just about anything else. I have ran test before for 10 weeks at 500mg/wk.

This time I am contemplating running the test at 750mg/wk. Anyways, since I am unable to find any deca for a while.. What is a good alternative to deca that I can run with test? I am also planning to use some dbol for the first several weeks. Oh I almost forgot, I am bulking. 6'2 210 Lean My whole goal is to pack on the MASS!

Thank you!

[Big]

Npp would be a good substitute.

[SuperLift]

Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understand Npp is the same thing as Deca only Npp is faster acting?

[NATE0406]

Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understand Npp is the same thing as Deca only Npp is faster acting?

yes its just the short ester deca. like prop is to enth.

[SuperLift]

Ok yeah that's what I thought. What would be a good dose for Npp? Would around 500mg/wk be ok?

[SuperLift]

Has anyone tried Npp, what kind of results did you get?

[dece870717]

Has anyone tried Npp, what kind of results did you get?

NPP will give you the same results as deca without the bloat.

[V-TEC E8TER]

tren is a good alt to deca both are nor 19 yet one has a lot harsh sides...

[LATS60]

Personally i'd run a high dose of EQ with a frontload and eat everything in sight.
I'd also run the dbol for the first and last 4wks.
But thats just me..

[SuperLift]

Would it be ok to run tren e for 10 weeks along with test?

[LATS60]

Would it be ok to run tren e for 10 weeks along with test?

I sooooooooo love that idea..

[Bigmax]

all depends on how you handle the sides bro...some people its more harsh than others....being sweaty and no sleep for ten weeks can and will catch up to you..

[dece870717]

all depends on how you handle the sides bro...some people its more harsh than others....being sweaty and no sleep for ten weeks can and will catch up to you..

I agree with this. If you plan on using a higher dose like 700-800mg a week for 10 weeks is torturing yourself. But I do have 2 friends on Tren for the first time using Tren E, front loaded with 800mg first week and during end of first week they had problems sleeping and then starting second week to till now they kept going with 400mg/week and both have no problems sleeping or anything but it seems like once you get higher than that you'll start to have the stronger sides and doing Tren E for 10 weeks at something like 800mg/week would be torture. If you want to use Tren E front load 800-1000mg the first week and then go down to 300-400mg for about 6 weeks total and you should be fine.

[SuperLift]

Personally i'd run a high dose of EQ with a frontload and eat everything in sight.
I'd also run the dbol for the first and last 4wks.
But thats just me..

I like the dbol at the beginning, but why the last 4wks as well?

[LATS60]

I like the dbol at the beginning, but why the last 4wks as well?

Iv'e found in the past that it gives me a blast in the last 4wks when the gains from the test are slowing, also it's straight into PCT without having to wait 2wks.

[NATE0406]

Iv'e found in the past that it gives me a blast in the last 4wks when the gains from the test are slowing, also it's straight into PCT without having to wait 2wks.

running dbol for the last 4 weeks of your cycle does not shorten pct start time. unless you are suggesting that he stop test and run dbol alone at the end. in which imo i find pointless. thats just more bloat that you have to get rid of on pct.

[SuperLift]

I guess so. I like the idea of running test/npp for 10 weeks. I will probably be using sust. I really do not want to inject everyday. Could I get away with sticking myself every 3 days with the Npp?

[LATS60]

running dbol for the last 4 weeks of your cycle does not shorten pct start time. unless you are suggesting that he stop test and run dbol alone at the end. in which imo i find pointless. thats just more bloat that you have to get rid of on pct.

Doh, forget to mention that; 2wks before last shot and the two wks after, for the reasons i said.

[dece870717]

I guess so. I like the idea of running test/npp for 10 weeks. I will probably be using sust. I really do not want to inject everyday. Could I get away with sticking myself every 3 days with the Npp?

NPP can be injected every 3 days just fine, the ester on NPP lasts about a day or 2 longer than the propionate ester.

[SuperLift]

Oh ok great. Since it is a bulking cycle would it be pointless to add winstrol for the last 5 weeks?

[dece870717]

Oh ok great. Since it is a bulking cycle would it be pointless to add winstrol for the last 5 weeks?

No it would not be pointless. Winstrol is a DHT and acts on the muscle in a different way so that can add to your strength and muscle gains. You'll have your Test, your 19-nor(NPP) and then DHT. All 3 groups of roids in one cycle is the way to go to target all the different ways to grow the muscle.

[SuperLift]

Thanks I think I may try that. Hoping to retain 10-15 lbs after its all said and done.