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    Exclamation What would be the best cycle?

    Hey guys, I am pretty new at all this. My previous trainer suggested I tried Nor19 and test. I did it, but didnt help at all . I want to start a cycle that'd allow me to gain lean muscle mass. I was told I should try Cypinate... any thoughts?
    I am 5'9, 145lbs, 24 y/o and 13%bf.

    Just so you know, I used to be heavy (250lbs of fat no muscle) so I dont know if I messed up and loose way too much and that's why my muscles are not responding.
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    u took test and nor and had no results!? it must of been fake.
    to get lean muscle go on anavar and test prop if u wanna inject ED or EOD.

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    bro do you workout?

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    do u eat even? hows ur diet? go on a cycle of raw material then go join the big boys after! how long were u lifting for?

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    how many mg per week were you taking?

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    Roids are not your answer.

    The best cycle for you is the 6-7 meals a day cycle.
    Hit up the diet section and read

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    like said before
    you need to cycle steak and chicken before you take Drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Branch_w View Post
    how many mg per week were you taking?
    I was taking 1400 mg of Andro (2 pills @ 100 each per day) and same test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
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    Roids are not your answer.

    The best cycle for you is the 6-7 meals a day cycle.
    Hit up the diet section and read
    Will do... Thax man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VedranMolestove View Post
    do u eat even? hows ur diet? go on a cycle of raw material then go join the big boys after! how long were u lifting for?
    I eat about 2,000 Kal a day... i try to eat every two hours moderating my carbs consumption to oatmeal and rice... very little fat but eat a lot of protein

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    Quote Originally Posted by 200byjune View Post
    bro do you workout?
    I work out 6 days a week... supersets, dif muscle groups and 20 mins cardio daily. I did loose a lot of weight (used to be 250... fat no muscle) so now I am just trying to get definition rather than loose anymore weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VedranMolestove View Post
    u took test and nor and had no results!? it must of been fake.
    to get lean muscle go on anavar and test prop if u wanna inject ED or EOD.
    Sorry if it sounds silly, but what is 'test prop inject ED or EOD'

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    Quote Originally Posted by italiandude24 View Post
    Sorry if it sounds silly, but what is 'test prop inject ED or EOD'
    inject testosterone propionate


    everyday

    or

    every other day

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    calories

    bro up your calories to about 3000-3500 than see if you dont make big improvment. you dont need gear till you gain more weight naturally. your only 24 you still got room to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by italiandude24 View Post
    I was taking 1400 mg of Andro (2 pills @ 100 each per day) and same test.
    hold up, are you saying you only ran the cycle for a week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VedranMolestove View Post
    u took test and nor and had no results!? it must of been fake.
    to get lean muscle go on anavar and test prop if u wanna inject ED or EOD.
    damn bro at least get a little history before u start handing what drugs he should put into his body!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phate186 View Post
    hold up, are you saying you only ran the cycle for a week?
    No I did it 3 weeks on 1 week off ~ Twice in a row

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    Quote Originally Posted by italiandude24 View Post
    No I did it 3 weeks on 1 week off ~ Twice in a row
    you seriously need to research, you don't do weeks off in the middle of a cycle

    get a good diet and do that for 5-6 months, i bet you will see results

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    Quote Originally Posted by phate186 View Post
    you seriously need to research, you don't do weeks off in the middle of a cycle

    get a good diet and do that for 5-6 months, i bet you will see results
    Thanks! like I said I am pretty new to all this so I was just going by what my trainer said... there's a lot i need to learn so thanks for sharing some info.

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    here's a thread i wrote on diet, hope it helps a little

    DIET HELP

    here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

    1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

    2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

    3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

    4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

    5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
    a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
    b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

    6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

    that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

    Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

    WORKOUT

    PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

    PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

    meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Before Bed Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

    DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5

    Each chicken meal served with a handful of fibrous green veg bringing carbs to approx 200g per day in total.

    DIET 2

    Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

    Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

    Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
    beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

    macros:Calories: 2615
    Protein: 335
    Carbs: 111
    Fats: 74

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    phate ur the man!

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    thats a nice diet! im ganna steal it maybe :P

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    Yeah dude definately start cycling some food for a long while before you do any more drugs. It really is some good shit

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    [QUOTE=phate186;4054157]here's a thread i wrote on diet, hope it helps a little
    Thanks Phate! I'll give it a try before I do another cycle.

    Carlo

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