First cycle

**jm21** · 06-30-2008, 08:01 AM

Hey only been on here short time and already learned alot from you guys so cheers for that. I have been advised to go for a test only for the first cycle was thinking either sustanon or tren enanthate Which would be best suited? I also need to know wether or not pct is needed for a first cycle at a weak dose and or anti-estrogens are needed and would tamoxafin do it?

**Big** · 06-30-2008, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by jm21

Hey only been on here short time and already learned alot from you guys so cheers for that. I have been advised to go for a test only for the first cycle was thinking either sustanon or tren enanthate Which would be best suited? I also need to know wether or not pct is needed for a first cycle at a weak dose and or anti-estrogens are needed and would tamoxafin do it?

first you need to learn the diference between test and tren or you could hurt yourself, and yes pct is required for every cycle.
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?

**jm21** · 06-30-2008, 09:12 AM

23
6ft
14st
18-20%
3-4

What is the best recomended pct?
Do i need anti-estrogens during?
Is sustanon going to be good enough?

**jm21** · 06-30-2008, 12:45 PM

Hey my stats are

Age 23
Weight 14st
Height. 6 ft
Bf% 18-20
Years training 3-4

I am going to do a first cycle of 2ml sustanon at 250mg/ml
Was going to take tamoxafin during as anti estrogen
And do 3 weeks clomid therapy as pct?

Comments on this wether there good or bad would be appreciated!!

**bodybuilder1107** · 06-30-2008, 02:00 PM

i wouldnt do a cycle of sust for the first one and hit the pct section and cycle section first so you dont mess something up

**facile** · 06-30-2008, 02:03 PM

tren enth is not test and not a chem for beginners, stick with a TEST cyp or ent

**Civic0** · 07-01-2008, 04:30 PM

agree with facile, depends on what you are looking to do . .

IMO, for your 1st, I would not go over 400 mg/ week of test. . . . even 300mg a week would suffice with good results

**bmit** · 07-01-2008, 06:20 PM

300 mg wk test enanthanate or cypionate will be fine. Get some letro in case gyno shows up. Get your diet and training in check from the training and diet forums of this board. Go to the PCT section to learn how to keep your gains. Do that.

**Kale** · 07-01-2008, 06:22 PM

Read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

**jc95605** · 07-01-2008, 07:46 PM

Test E for some reason sometimes has less bloat than Test cyp. I would lean towards Test E, especially with your bf that high. I like 250mgsx2 ew personally but its utilmately up to you.

**MercyDog** · 07-01-2008, 08:04 PM

if pins bother you at all, and since its your first, consider 250x1.5 for 16 weeks

**axemurderer187** · 07-01-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

if pins bother you at all, and since its your first, consider 250x1.5 for 16 weeks

16 weeks for a first timer? your kidding right?

thread starter: start with a test enan or cyp @ around 500mgs a week for 12 weeks. Sustanon should ideally be injected EOD to optimize/take use of the propinate which really isn't for you right now. See how you react from the test and then start experimenting with more complicated compounds. Creating yourself a functional PCT is just as important as your cycle. Good luck.

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-01-2008, 08:31 PM

i agree do some more research and it all comes together eventually it just clicks trust me i was the same way at first

**MercyDog** · 07-01-2008, 08:33 PM

um no, 375mgx16w, not here to argue but why would that be bad? Its low with longer gains

Maybe 12 weeks would be better for you........I'm always a little extreme

**axemurderer187** · 07-01-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

um no, 375mgx16w, not here to argue but why would that be bad? Its low with longer gains

Maybe 12 weeks would be better for you........I'm always a little extreme

12 is industry standard. You really don't grow much more after 12 weeks. Your receptors are fried by this point. Unless your taking HGH (you can stay on as long as you want)