I'm a baseball pitcher and want to add 3 to 5mph on my fastball

**dynamicathlete12** · 07-02-2008, 04:45 PM

I'm 6'3 about 210lbs at around 8% body fat. I throw 84 to 87mph right now. I'm going to Italy to pitch in april and currently travel around the country to play in tournys with a team that pays for everything. I want to get the most out of what I have and I'd like to know what's good to take to add some mph's as well as maybe recovery and soreness.

**jstraw428** · 07-02-2008, 04:49 PM

why turn to drugs to add a couple of mph.......why not just do more sports specific lifting to increase your fastball....

**edmen2** · 07-02-2008, 04:51 PM

only hard work is gonna get u more mph's. the lean lanky usually throw faster than the big bulky guys. juice may help u recover faster but it aint gonna get u a better fast ball.

**jstraw428** · 07-02-2008, 04:55 PM

try throwing a heavier ball when you practice....then when you use a real baseball it will feel a lot lighter and you should be able to throw it faster......

**edmen2** · 07-02-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

try throwing a heavier ball when you practice....then when you use a real baseball it will feel a lot lighter and you should be able to throw it faster......

this is not good for a pitcher cause it screws with ur control and release points. what you should do is work on getting some movement on ur fastball and try to perfect a second pitch. remember any decent ball player can hit a 100 mph straight fastball but a 94mph ball with movement then followed up by a change up. much more difficult!

**Baseball03** · 07-02-2008, 05:15 PM

edmen thats tru but if he doesnt have a 2nd pitch by now then he wouldnt still be playing for a team that travels around esp a team that is going to italy.

Bro what you need to do is step up your endurance.. run more poles and hills... and then research shoulder,elbow,forearm and mainly LEG exercises to strength up your arm which in turn will lead to a more powerful fastbal.

Leg and core strength are crucial for a successful pitcher, thats where you generate all your torque and power (pushing off that rubber)...the excerises for your arm arent really strength excersice.. you want you shoulder elbow and all those muscles tendons and ligaments in your arm to be as flexible as possible

**edmen2** · 07-02-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Baseball03

edmen thats tru but if he doesnt have a 2nd pitch by now then he wouldnt still be playing for a team that travels around esp a team that is going to italy.

Bro what you need to do is step up your endurance.. run more poles and hills... and then research shoulder,elbow,forearm and mainly LEG exercises to strength up your arm which in turn will lead to a more powerful fastbal.

Leg and core strength are crucial for a successful pitcher, thats where you generate all your torque and power (pushing off that rubber)...the excerises for your arm arent really strength excersice.. you want you shoulder elbow and all those muscles tendons and ligaments in your arm to be as flexible as possible

ive seen some closers in the pan american leagues with only a fastball and crappy curve. but i agree endurance flexibility and technique are the key.

**roodogg** · 07-02-2008, 07:00 PM

Technique & Genetics

**TJM7275** · 07-02-2008, 07:06 PM

Damm bro, you really wanna go down the same path all these other ball players have? I say train harder

**Nitro29** · 07-02-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by TJM7275

Damm bro, you really wanna go down the same path all these other ball players have? I say train harder

Says the guy who takes steroids

**Baseball03** · 07-02-2008, 07:12 PM

why wouldnt you wanna? I agree its "cheating" but if you wanna make a living you got to be able to compete and how do you compete w someone who is taking HGH getting bigger stronger adding mph to their pitches and only needing a day of rest for your arm....YOU CANT

the majority or positive drug test in baseball are in the minors... gotta make your self stand out some how ...

I agree he should work on the true mechanics and really become a master at his trade .. research more bro

**g0dsend** · 07-02-2008, 07:13 PM

Google what Roger Clemens took.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Clemens

**rock75** · 07-02-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by dynamicathlete12

I'm 6'3 about 210lbs at around 8% body fat. I throw 84 to 87mph right now. I'm going to Italy to pitch in april and currently travel around the country to play in tournys with a team that pays for everything. I want to get the most out of what I have and I'd like to know what's good to take to add some mph's as well as maybe recovery and soreness.

cheater!!!!

**lex57** · 07-02-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by TJM7275

Damm bro, you really wanna go down the same path all these other ball players have? I say train harder

agreed 100% i would take some protein shakes and thats it. who knows mlb will probably try to ban clemens form the hall because of roids and hgh. i would stay so far away from juice if i was a pro. all it takes is one person to find out and when you get rich or famous and then they write a book and save the needles that they shot you with.... well you know the deal.

**rock75** · 07-02-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Nitro29

Says the guy who takes steroids

yeah, but he is not trying to gain a competitive edge over another competitor - BIG difference!!

**lex57** · 07-02-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Nitro29

Says the guy who takes steroids

same guy whos not a pro ball player.

**Nitro29** · 07-02-2008, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by rock75

yeah, but he is not trying to gain a competitive edge over another competitor - BIG difference!!

How do you know?

**rock75** · 07-02-2008, 07:18 PM

I know all - BOO!!!

**Nitro29** · 07-02-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by lex57

same guy whos not a pro ball player.

Tuche'

**Nitro29** · 07-02-2008, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by rock75

I know all - BOO!!!

Lol. So its ok for a body show

**edmen2** · 07-02-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Baseball03

why wouldnt you wanna? I agree its "cheating" but if you wanna make a living you got to be able to compete and how do you compete w someone who is taking HGH getting bigger stronger adding mph to their pitches and only needing a day of rest for your arm....YOU CANT

the majority or positive drug test in baseball are in the minors... gotta make your self stand out some how ...

I agree he should work on the true mechanics and really become a master at his trade .. research more bro

there aint no drug in the world where a starting pitcher would only need one day of rest.

**Bulldog1115** · 07-02-2008, 08:03 PM

ok 1st off let me say this as a baseball player, i am a catcher now, but i used to pitch. 1st i would say buy some elastic bands and strengthen ur rotaor cuff 1st off. secondly buy some creatine, this comes in huge for pitchers {atp and short burst of energy} next a shit load of complex carbs and fats { high protein as well} so u have optimal energy all day to work on ur shit. next run poles until u cant run anymore..after u pitch is the best time. on my aau team which is ran by former pro coaches, pitchers used to run 10 poles for every inning they pitched and when they werent pitching they were running during the game. now as far as drugs, i gained 5 mph on my fastball with a test eq cycle and i dont even pitch for real for real .. so there ya go! ITS DEF HELPS

**lex57** · 07-02-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Nitro29

Tuche'

**Bulldog1115** · 07-02-2008, 08:16 PM

try this cycle:
test enth 500mg/w
equipiose 400mg/w
cut with B 12

PCT
Nolvadex and arimadex

and eat alot of good fats, complex carbs and high protein with some creatine.
and run ur balls off and ull be pleased! and if u can afford GH, def would be a benifet, but it isnt a must its just a plus!

goodluck

**T_Own** · 07-02-2008, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by edmen2

this is not good for a pitcher cause it screws with ur control and release points.

very true.
same thing goes for gaining too much muscle in a short period of time. the same way people pull things after getting big, nothing will feel the same after a cycle. even if you pitch every day or so, i doubt you could throw as well after cycling.

not to be too harsh, but mid 80s isn't gonna get you too far in baseball.. kids at my high school throw low 80s and aren't gonna play in college. 90 mph throwers are a dime a dozen, find another pitch or two to set you apart from everyone else.

and i was a catcher for 5 years at a fairly high level for my age.

**BIGMAC250** · 07-02-2008, 09:46 PM

i used to pitch in hs...ive had tommy john surgery as well...im a lefty that was throwing in the low to mid 90s my senior year....the only problem was that my ****ing coaches made me run all the time and do core training.....i never got to throw bullpens at practice....only with my pops on sundays and thats it......because of those ****ers ****ing with my head and not helping with proper rehab for my arm.....i ended up getting benched most of the season bc i could only go for 3 innings then my control was gone....because they ****ed with my head so bad i turned down a tryout for the braves that i somehow got and several colleges were looking at me as well.....sorry for the sob story..hahaha.....but get your legs and core stronger.....tweak your mechanics and use the elastic bands......throwing a football helps too...and dont forget long toss....im sure u already know all that but just a reminder.....things tend to be forgotten....i dont know everything but pitching used to be my thing obviously youve taken it to the next level which is awsome.....but i learned a lot while doing my rehab and the dumbest things will add some mph to the fastball.....pm me if you have any questions ide be more than happy to help....good luck

**SMCengineer** · 07-02-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by g0dsend

Google what Roger Clemens took.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Clemens

The only person who knows everything Roger Clemens took is Roger Clemens himself.

**BIGMAC250** · 07-02-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Baseball03

edmen thats tru but if he doesnt have a 2nd pitch by now then he wouldnt still be playing for a team that travels around esp a team that is going to italy.

Bro what you need to do is step up your endurance.. run more poles and hills... and then research shoulder,elbow,forearm and mainly LEG exercises to strength up your arm which in turn will lead to a more powerful fastbal.

Leg and core strength are crucial for a successful pitcher, thats where you generate all your torque and power (pushing off that rubber)...the excerises for your arm arent really strength excersice.. you want you shoulder elbow and all those muscles tendons and ligaments in your arm to be as flexible as possible

i didnt see this one....hes exactly right......he didnt mention that the slightest tweak in ur mechanics will make a world of diff...it dont matter how good you think they are there is always something that might work a lil bit better than what is working for you.....shit you dont get to know all the real shit untill you get to the pros......i had a 2 guys that graduated from my hs that went pro (as pitchers) and they would come and practice with the team for about 2 or 3 weeks when our season started up....a lot had to do with the fact that they had tommy john done....and they were telling me that once they moved up a lot was changed about there mechanics.....well not a lot just stupid little things that made a world of diff.

**Lemonada8** · 07-02-2008, 10:11 PM

I kinda know what u are goin throu (I'm a QB).... all i can really say is if you do a cycle, make sure u do a short ester one because
A) faster out of ur system for tests
B) less water retention which will only bloat you and thats additional weight on ur rotator cuff
C) besure that you throw more than u used to because you will recover alot better on cycle... example, if you work out your arms every 3rd day and then throw every 3 day, that is a increase of 1:1, if you juice your arms will recover alot so by that you would work them harder so they would get stronger out of proportion with your rotator cuff say at a ratio of 3:1... with the unstable increase in your arm (bi/tri, etc) muscles will put extra strain on your rotator cuff, which can increase the risk of a tear...
so be sure to throw about 2x as much as u did... that will increase your arm strength, which with good leg/core training you could add those MPH's

**Lemonada8** · 07-02-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by edmen2

this is not good for a pitcher cause it screws with ur control and release points. what you should do is work on getting some movement on ur fastball and try to perfect a second pitch. remember any decent ball player can hit a 100 mph straight fastball but a 94mph ball with movement then followed up by a change up. much more difficult!

If he played long ball with a heavier ball, that can increase arm strength... dont pitch with it of course but long ball.... that helps alot

**10nispro** · 07-02-2008, 10:13 PM

I agree that its all in kinesiology. If you can make the most of your mechanical movement, explode, with a smooth motion, you will have the best pitches. I played ball, from when I was 4 till 18. I was a pitcher, and my dad taught me three pitches before I was 11. I quit ball and took my experience with ball to tennis. Serving and the throwing motion, mechanically is the same. It's all about connetic energy. I am 5'9 163 and I can serve in the 120's. It's not always about your size but how you use the correct motions and connetic energy. Learn to throw a 2nd, even a 3rd pitch. In tennis you can have a big flat serve in the 130's but, if you know it's coming, it's a timing thing. But, if the guy hits a serve with spin, you have to adjust all type of things. Just my input on this matter. OH, and yes I do use gear. Not to gain mph on my serve, but for muscular strength and endurance. I am 41 and still keep up with the young players.

**Teras** · 07-03-2008, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by rock75

yeah, but he is not trying to gain a competitive edge over another competitor - BIG difference!!

Are you living in alice's wonderland? He's not trying to gain an edge, he's rather trying to fill the gap with all the other players that have already gained that edge. Big difference.

**Baseball03** · 07-03-2008, 05:36 AM

He should be throwing a baseball almost everyday....whether its bullpens, flat grounds or mainly long toss. I just finished playing for one of the most successful D2 baseball teams in the country over the last 5 years and my coach is die hard w the pitchers. They long toss every other day.. throw flat grounds and bullpens the days they are doing long toss.. and the run sprints and polls every day.

**edmen2** · 07-03-2008, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

If he played long ball with a heavier ball, that can increase arm strength... dont pitch with it of course but long ball.... that helps alot

the readon i didnt mention long toss is cause we are all taught that in little league. that is the most basic and imo best thing to increase arm strength. me and my buddies used to get together and see who could make a field goal from the opposite field goal!

**dynamicathlete12** · 07-03-2008, 05:08 PM

WOW I got alot of feedback and I should expect and since none of you know my background I can understand. So here's some stuff about me:
I train professional athletes, college athletes, etc.
I know and do all the exercises, training and so forth for pitching or any other position in any other sport. I train hard, I eat right, I throw when I'm suppose to and I've never touched or recommended steriods although I don't discourage them either. Most of all pro athletes take them and as you all know done right won't hurt you. I just wasn't knowedgable enough to know what to do to help me throw harder.
I'm also 30yrs old and had taken 12 yrs off of pitching b/c of injury and now have been back at it for a year. I have a major league change-up and above average curve ball for you that said get another pitch. I know certain things will help me and thanks to all of you that gave me that good info. I'm open to more so please feel free to keep posting.

FYI for those of you that said to throw a heavy ball. You are clueless. Heavy balls slow your arm down and can't do anything but damage your arm with more than 5 to 10 throws with it. I lighter ball will actually increase arm speed.

Thanks again

**dynamicathlete12** · 07-03-2008, 05:12 PM

Also another FYI for those who say there's nothing that will help me throw harder. From 04 to 07 the average mph on a MLB pitcher was up 4 MPH on average than any other year and has since dropped dramatically. It helps pitchers more than hitters. MUCH MORE!

**Bulldog1115** · 07-03-2008, 10:18 PM

ok try a test and eq cycle with b12... best thing for pitchers!

**T_Own** · 07-03-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Blome

The only person who knows everything Roger Clemens took is Roger Clemens himself.

ironic, sportscenter just mentioned brian mcnamee sending syringes he used to inject roger clemens to congress to aid in his defense (and rogers prosecution)