my current cycle - started on 01.07.08

[davidinvienna]

week 1-8 Prop 100mg eod
week 1-8 Tren A 100mg eod
week 1-8 Masteron 100mg eod
week 1-5 Var 50mg ed
week 3-8 Winny (tabs) 50mg ed
week 1-12 HGH 3iu eod
week 1-12 Clen (building up to 160mcg ed, Benadryl every 3rd week for 7days)


Nolva at 20mg ed throughout, Proviron at 25mg ed throughout, PCT Nolva and HCG.

just had my 2nd shot of Prop/Tren/Mast - so far no Tren sides except for increased sweating.

will keep you posted how I go.

[redz]

Sounds like a really fun cycle keep us updated. I`m trying Tren in my next cycle so its always interesting to see different peoples reactions to it.

[lappy]

Mind if i asked your height and weight?
Goodluck with your cycle

[gixxerboy1]

gh for 12 weeks is a waste. save your $$$ or save the gh till you have more

[T_Own]

lol i was confused on the date, but i'm guessing you're european?
sounds good though, is it worthwhile to take mast and winstrol together?
also 8 weeks sounds a little on the short side

[PT]

lol i was confused on the date, but i'm guessing you're european?
sounds good though, is it worthwhile to take mast and winstrol together?
also 8 weeks sounds a little on the short side

most people wont since there both dht's

[sugarfreebig]

Oh. Do they put the day before the month in Europe?

[jstraw428]

HGH for only 12 weeks is an absolute waste especially at 3ius eod......waste of money.....

[T_Own]

Oh. Do they put the day before the month in Europe?

afaik they do, also using "." instead of "/"
atleast the BMW makers do

[Darksyde]

thats a lot of oral.

[dece870717]

Lol, masteron, winny, and anavar all at the same time. You really want that heart attack don't you? Your cholesterol values are going to be SOOOO ridiculous and your combining 2 DHT's. they basically both work the same way and are going to go for the same receptor, its a waste, not to mention your liver is gonna have some problems combining multiple orals. I would have to say that either you REALLY don't know what you're doing and need to do more research or this whole thing is a joke.

[davidinvienna]

Lol, masteron, winny, and anavar all at the same time. You really want that heart attack don't you? Your cholesterol values are going to be SOOOO ridiculous and your combining 2 DHT's. they basically both work the same way and are going to go for the same receptor, its a waste, not to mention your liver is gonna have some problems combining multiple orals. I would have to say that either you REALLY don't know what you're doing and need to do more research or this whole thing is a joke.

ok - so basically you are saying that I ve got it all wrong; right? I asked some help from a pro Athlete friend of mine from Slovakia who put that cycle together for me with regards to my specific goals (typical mil training NOT BB).
Ref the orals you will have seen - at least I assume you have - that there's only a cross over point of 2 weeks where they are being combined after which I am dropping the Var, cont. with Winny .... if that would still pose a prob, would you recommend dropping the Winny and sticking with Var the full 8 instead?
Ok, now regards GH; seems over the big pond everybody is of the opinion that 3months is a waste while over here it appears to be very common .... maybe someone can shed some light on that (??)

[pump.joe]

thats a lot of oral.

[davidinvienna]

any more advice / opinions please ....

[davidinvienna]

anyone?

[dece870717]

anyone?

I would do Prop/Tren/Mast and thats it for the whole cycle.

[burnin69]

more is not always better

[Kratos]

Got any stats to share with us?

[Kratos]

Not sure what you're trying to do, but that's a buttload of compounds esp because you sound really unexperienced. Nolva with tren is usually frowned upon. Too much DHT's for my taste, your hair is gonna be on your pillow if you are prone to hairloss at all. The clen suggests cutting? But you are just using way too many milligrams total gear for an inexperienced user. HGH, you aren't using enough anyway regardless of what your opinion is on duration. You'd be better off with some IGF, but I'm not saying you should be using that either. Basically the cycle is overcomplicated and you will see more sides than nessicary, you spent too much money, you probably need work on your diet. At the end of the day, will you see results...yes but the cycle is far from ideal.

[davidinvienna]

Got any stats to share with us?

29yo / 1m77/ 88kg / 16%bf / 2 previous cycles experience - 1. Test E & Halo 2. Test E, Dbol, EQ;

[davidinvienna]

Not sure what you're trying to do, but that's a buttload of compounds esp because you sound really unexperienced. Nolva with tren is usually frowned upon. Too much DHT's for my taste, your hair is gonna be on your pillow if you are prone to hairloss at all. The clen suggests cutting? But you are just using way too many milligrams total gear for an inexperienced user. HGH, you aren't using enough anyway regardless of what your opinion is on duration. You'd be better off with some IGF, but I'm not saying you should be using that either. Basically the cycle is overcomplicated and you will see more sides than nessicary, you spent too much money, you probably need work on your diet. At the end of the day, will you see results...yes but the cycle is far from ideal.

ok - so drop the Winny (any chance of keeping the Var for the 1st 5 weeks?) and if using GH at all then up it to 2iu's/day (?)

trying to find literature why Nolva is frowned upon when using Tren ... could you elaborate on that one please? unfortunately I can't get my hands on either Adex, Letro, Bromo or Caber over here (nobody seems to be using that stuff so no one is selling it either .... supply-demand issue) and I seem to be Gyno prone ..... again - what to do?

[dlovefitness]

Hows it coming along...I agree way to many orals....gh very good but should be 6-9 iu's ed.....And for longer more like 52 weeks rather than 12.....Sometimes its best to keep it simple.

[200byjune]

bro why did you join? youve been here for almost 2 years. the point of the bored is to edjucate.

[jc95605]

thats a lot of oral.

I appreciate the setup but that one is just too easy.

[davidinvienna]

bro why did you join? youve been here for almost 2 years. the point of the bored is to edjucate.

I joined to get some help and info on what I am doing as well as discussing thoughts and ideas on what I might be doing .... sorry to ask - but what exactly is the point of your Q with regards to my thread?

[davidinvienna]

Hows it coming along...I agree way to many orals....gh very good but should be 6-9 iu's ed.....And for longer more like 52 weeks rather than 12.....Sometimes its best to keep it simple.

6-9 iu's ed ? ... damn, that s a lot of GH....

[jc95605]

week 1-8 Prop 100mg eod
week 1-8 Tren A 100mg eod
week 1-8 Masteron 100mg eod
week 1-5 Var 50mg ed
week 3-8 Winny (tabs) 50mg ed
week 1-12 HGH 3iu eod
week 1-12 Clen (building up to 160mcg ed, Benadryl every 3rd week for 7days)


Nolva at 20mg ed throughout, Proviron at 25mg ed throughout, PCT Nolva and HCG.

just had my 2nd shot of Prop/Tren/Mast - so far no Tren sides except for increased sweating.

will keep you posted how I go.

Ok....umm I would do just test/tren/winnie. Ok the obvious thing i see is that your running 2 orals at the same time. Looks like your doing a cutting cycle, I dunno you didn't say. In any case i would go with winnie over var just cause its cheaper and you get similar results. I heard alot of negative things about masteron mostly that it just doesn't burn fat, that it just hardens you up, but you'll get that from the winnie anyway, so i don't think you even need it.

HGH at 12 wks is a waste. I would save it and get some more for a longer cycle of it.

I recently made a thread about clen hindering results. Alot of ppl said that while their on cycle and taking clen it hinders their gains. I don't see how clen would do that but according to them it did. I experimented this idea on myself a few weeks ago and sure enough my weight stopped for the whole time i was on it? So depending on what your wanting to do keep that in mind.

Next i'd run the test for at least 12wks the tren for 10 and the winnie for 7 or 8. So your cycle would look something like this:

week 1-12 Prop 100mg eod
week 2-11 Tren A 100mg eod
week 3-8 Winny (tabs) 50mg ed

This is just my suggestion tho.

[davidinvienna]

Ok....umm I would do just test/tren/winnie. Ok the obvious thing i see is that your running 2 orals at the same time. Looks like your doing a cutting cycle, I dunno you didn't say. In any case i would go with winnie over var just cause its cheaper and you get similar results. I heard alot of negative things about masteron mostly that it just doesn't burn fat, that it just hardens you up, but you'll get that from the winnie anyway, so i don't think you even need it.

HGH at 12 wks is a waste. I would save it and get some more for a longer cycle of it.

I recently made a thread about clen hindering results. Alot of ppl said that while their on cycle and taking clen it hinders their gains. I don't see how clen would do that but according to them it did. I experimented this idea on myself a few weeks ago and sure enough my weight stopped for the whole time i was on it? So depending on what your wanting to do keep that in mind.

Next i'd run the test for at least 12wks the tren for 10 and the winnie for 7 or 8. So your cycle would look something like this:

week 1-12 Prop 100mg eod
week 2-11 Tren A 100mg eod
week 3-8 Winny (tabs) 50mg ed

This is just my suggestion tho.

wow - thanks for the solid advice bro and taking the time to write all that; i really appreciate it.

would love to do the Prop for 12 but unfortunately can't - am going away in September, so I guess I'll have to stick to the 8 weeks. dropping Var and going Winny instead from week 3 .... yup that I can do no worries. Regards the Masteron - it is a 100mg/100mg per ml mix of Tren A and Mast I am using ... so cutting the Mast out is not an option.

Would doing GH for 6months at 2iu's ed suffice or you also recommend a higher dose? there seem to be quite a load of different opinions on that out there and it is my 1. time using GH.

here's for my goals / reasons: I have a very important physical assessment coming up mid september (no - i am not being tested). it involves a lot of athletics, endurance (so far Tren hasn't had a negative effect on my cardio) and overall upper body strength (heavy lifting, carrying, pulling, etc.) these 8 weeks are my prep for that. No need to make great weight gains so Clen shouldn't be a prob - right?

[jc95605]

Ya that did take a lil longer to write but its kool. Anyway since you don't wanna gain weight i don't see a problem with clen except blood pressure. Now with Tren and clen YOU NEED TO WATCH YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE! I would run the clen pretty low. Tren will kill your cardio. I would stop it asap on your cycle, so you will have the most time to get it out of your system b4 your assement. I'm a lil uneasy about the winnie and masteron together. Doing 2 DHT's is a lil risky. I don't think you would really need the winnie then. The tren and clen will help burn fat and the masteron will harden you up, so why take the winnie, see my point. Now i would the var, since you can't take winnie cuz of the other DHT. The var will also help burn fat. I'm not sure its effects on blood pressure tho i can't remember. Read up on var and see if its not too risky. That would be my next step. Hope this helps.

[davidinvienna]

Ya that did take a lil longer to write but its kool. Anyway since you don't wanna gain weight i don't see a problem with clen except blood pressure. Now with Tren and clen YOU NEED TO WATCH YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE! I would run the clen pretty low. Tren will kill your cardio. I would stop it asap on your cycle, so you will have the most time to get it out of your system b4 your assement. I'm a lil uneasy about the winnie and masteron together. Doing 2 DHT's is a lil risky. I don't think you would really need the winnie then. The tren and clen will help burn fat and the masteron will harden you up, so why take the winnie, see my point. Now i would the var, since you can't take winnie cuz of the other DHT. The var will also help burn fat. I'm not sure its effects on blood pressure tho i can't remember. Read up on var and see if its not too risky. That would be my next step. Hope this helps.

once again - thank you bro!

so could look somehwhat like that (bearing in mind that the Tren A/Mast is a 100/100 mix in the same 10ml vial):

1-8 Prop 100mg eod
1-8 Tren 100mg eod
1-8 Mast 100mg eod
1-5 Var 50mg ed

does that look feasible?

as soon as Tren does start to affect my cardio (bike and running has not suffered YET - then again I only had two shots so far) I'll drop it which would mean that my cyle would be brought down to Prop/Var only (again - cause Tren and Mast are a mix in the same vial).

[jc95605]

Ya i like that better. Don't forget the liver protection too. With the var i would say as with anything, start low and work your way up. For alot of ppl 60-80mgs of var seem to be that sweet spot. I wouldn't know, i haven't tried it.......yet.

[jeffefrijoles]

8 weeks with this cycle is fine as they are all short esters. I would drop the orals and just stick with the Tren/Prop/Mast - very good cycle. You will not need those orals at all. The clen is fine, you have taht down. A far as the GH, I would do at least 4 IUs/day, which is a good dose for fat reduction and overall well being - you will not get any significant muscle growth from this, but that does not seem like your goal with the GH as you have the gear to do this. However, I agree that you would need to run this for about 6 months to get the full benefits. It would have been best to have started with the GH some time before your cycle and then run it throughout and beyond... but fine to start now, just get more and continue well after. You may also want to add a maintanance amount of T4, 100 mcg/day would be good. This would not be enough to be considered catabolic and again, you have the gear in there anyway. I think you would be very happy with this, just keep the diet clean and take in plenty of protein and EFAs. Good luck bro!!!

[jc95605]

I agree with you don't need the orals. But if you can go for it why not? Thats my thing. Its your decision tho.

[davidinvienna]

8 weeks with this cycle is fine as they are all short esters. I would drop the orals and just stick with the Tren/Prop/Mast - very good cycle. You will not need those orals at all. The clen is fine, you have taht down. A far as the GH, I would do at least 4 IUs/day, which is a good dose for fat reduction and overall well being - you will not get any significant muscle growth from this, but that does not seem like your goal with the GH as you have the gear to do this. However, I agree that you would need to run this for about 6 months to get the full benefits. It would have been best to have started with the GH some time before your cycle and then run it throughout and beyond... but fine to start now, just get more and continue well after. You may also want to add a maintanance amount of T4, 100 mcg/day would be good. This would not be enough to be considered catabolic and again, you have the gear in there anyway. I think you would be very happy with this, just keep the diet clean and take in plenty of protein and EFAs. Good luck bro!!!

also thanks to you bro for taking the time to write down the detailed advice. OK I guess I need to hold off the GH till I can get my hands on more. Now that I have already started with the Var, is there any "harm" in cont for the 5weeks as planned?

[jeffefrijoles]

The orals would be redundant, considering the compounds he will be injecting. Save the cash and the undue stress on the liver. Also, combine the Tren sides with the Anavar sides and he will be a hurtin unit.... thats why not. Prop/Tren/Mast cycle on its own is a killer cycle, period.

[davidinvienna]

I agree with you don't need the orals. But if you can go for it why not? Thats my thing. Its your decision tho.

thanks again matey.

[jeffefrijoles]

Personally, I would save the var. You have only taken a few days worth. Its pretty expensive too. I would save it to add to a future cycle where you done have tren involved, say a lean bulker like just Test E with a var kicker. You would want to use 60-80 mg/day of the var to get any good results, so save it up and even get more if you can. Its a pretty weak compound, but good when used in high doses with proper goals in mind.

[jc95605]

Ya but he's already doing the var right? I haven't heard of sides that bad with var. But again thats only going off of other's input i have taken var........yet.

[jc95605]

Nice one jeffer. I agree with post # 37.

[davidinvienna]

The orals would be redundant, considering the compounds he will be injecting. Save the cash and the undue stress on the liver. Also, combine the Tren sides with the Anavar sides and he will be a hurtin unit.... thats why not. Prop/Tren/Mast cycle on its own is a killer cycle, period.

sounds like I'll defo stick to that then. will keep you posted on my progress in this thread if you are interested.