starting my first cycle.

**wmrebel** · 07-04-2008, 11:41 AM

Im looking to start my first cycle. The plan is half a cc of tren eod because its double dosed. Being my first cycle i want to make sure i have everything planned out right and am doing things as safe as possible. Are there any items i need besides:
needles and syringes (23 gauge, 1 1/2inch)
alcohol swabs
the gear
Ive been told that since tren doesn't convert to estrogen no anti-estrogen such as nolva, clomid, etc..is needed. Is this true ?
Also how long should i run this half a cc eod for as my first cycle? I've read where HCG can be used for the shrinking of my testes but is that needed if its my first cycle and if im only planning on doing one cycle ? And last what kind of PCT should i run with this cycle if any at all, ive heard of people not doing anything but from what ive read PCT is a major deal.
Any and all help would be appreciated, im looking to start soon and want to clear everything up before my body and I start this adventure.

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 11:42 AM

post your stats and people can help what are the goals of your cycle

**stocky121** · 07-04-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by wmrebel

Im looking to start my first cycle. The plan is half a cc of tren eod because its double dosed. Being my first cycle i want to make sure i have everything planned out right and am doing things as safe as possible. Are there any items i need besides:
needles and syringes (23 gauge, 1 1/2inch)
alcohol swabs
the gear
Ive been told that since tren doesn't convert to estrogen no anti-estrogen such as nolva, clomid, etc..is needed. Is this true ?
Also how long should i run this half a cc eod for as my first cycle? I've read where HCG can be used for the shrinking of my testes but is that needed if its my first cycle and if im only planning on doing one cycle ? And last what kind of PCT should i run with this cycle if any at all, ive heard of people not doing anything but from what ive read PCT is a major deal.
Any and all help would be appreciated, im looking to start soon and want to clear everything up before my body and I start this adventure.

where have you been hearing about these tren only cycles ?

**wmrebel** · 07-04-2008, 11:47 AM

im 18 yearsold, 5'11 205. Been working out solid for 3-4 years now. Looking to put on some size and strength for my senior year of football.

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 11:48 AM

i agree what are you trying to do anyway adn list your cycle it needs some work i think

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 11:49 AM

you dont want that for a first cycle bro and besides at 18 a bulk niet would be better so you dont mess with your system while its peaking

**wmrebel** · 07-04-2008, 11:49 AM

from different sources on the internet. from your response makes it seem like its not very valid information. please fill me in.

**T_Own** · 07-04-2008, 11:52 AM

you definitely don't wanna run tren only, no matter how old you are. unless you don't plan on "getting it up" anytime soon.

you don't need anything right now, just a little more size would fit well for hs football, you don't have to be a monster or anything

**Emilio_Rebenga** · 07-04-2008, 11:57 AM

agreed..tren only cycle is not good for you bro

actually no cycle is good for you at 18...you have ALOT of natural growing left in you...wait a little longer and you will be happy you did

listen to me on this and i know alot of the brothers on the board can back me up on this if you use any gear now, at this young age

YOU CAN MESS YOUR BODY UP FOR LIFE!

wait a little longer and educate yourself, you will be happy u did

**wmrebel** · 07-04-2008, 11:58 AM

all this information makes me feel badly for the sixteen yearolds i know that are on gear as we speak o.0

**T_Own** · 07-04-2008, 12:00 PM

they're all over the place. but people always do dumb stuff. doing steroids might not be as bad as doing coke or hero, but kids do that too

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 12:01 PM

yeah not goos for teens man

**wmrebel** · 07-04-2008, 12:03 PM

you're right.
well i have some colleges looking at me and i was hoping to have a pretty beastly senior year with the help of some gear but apparently this tren i have isn't the way to go.

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 12:05 PM

where r ulocated??? what college u gaonn play for? at you size a good diet and weight program would blow you up man my junior year i wrestled a 189 lbs and came back my senior year at 250 lbs and had to wrestle 275 class until like two months in before i could get back dow and i was solid, youde be surprised what you can do

**stocky121** · 07-04-2008, 12:06 PM

look your 18 old enough to make your own decisson's. Now i am going to try and talk you out of it because it's still young to start and you'll do much better starting later in life. but if your going to anyway do a low dose test e or c cycle as your first. BUT put a lot of thought into you want to do one or not first

**Emilio_Rebenga** · 07-04-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by wmrebel

you're right.
well i have some colleges looking at me and i was hoping to have a pretty beastly senior year with the help of some gear but apparently this tren i have isn't the way to go.

do me a favor...go to the homepage..look up the injected videos

theres this one episode of Teens and Steroids ...BC talks about good stuff there..if you need gear to become a better player at a high school level, imagine what its going to be like when you get to college, where alot of them are natural..u wont be able to compete and youre trying to get an edge

just check out the video

http://www.steroid.com/video/

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 12:13 PM

he makes a good point bro if your in a race and you shoot your noz half way but the other car is at half pedal and still has noz whos gonna be at the finish line bro, wierd metaphor but study up and be safe not another statistic

**wmrebel** · 07-04-2008, 12:16 PM

its not so much the fact that i NEED to be better. im going to be a 3 year start, but why not be better if you can be ? which im guessing is because of the different dangers and my age.

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 12:17 PM

go to tha ar lounge and read tjms post bro and learn about messing with this when your too young

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 12:19 PM

dude if your allready in and have been set as a starter what do you need to prove now your allready there just prove you belong there which shouldnt be hard or you wouldnt be there in the first place just leave it alone for now and stay natural in time if it comes to the pros or whatever then you do what you gotta do but by then theyll probably have it on lock down anyway

**cutting_king** · 07-04-2008, 12:19 PM

Hey, i dont wanna go all judgemental or give a long speech about whether or not you should be doing gear at your age, personally i think its your body and your decision. But i would strongly urge you to think about your goals and how you are going about achieving them.
I have a friend that was around 18 or 19 when he started on gear and it was for reasons similar to you, sports etc. He used to have an awesome physique to start with, totally ripped, decent muscle size etc. He started gear without looking into it 1st and also wasn't really 100 % committed to his training/diet, thinking the gear would do all the hard work. Because of this he ended up simply putting on a load of fat during his cycle and really ending up in worse shape than he started off. He constantly says he wishes someone stopped him from doing steroids so early while he had such a limited understanding as he actually ended up taking a long time just trying to get back into the shape he was in before he started his 1st cycle. So all i'm saying is that its not always going to give you dream results. It takes hard work, dedication, clean diet and a decent knowledge of what you are putting into your body and how it works. If you had all of those things, i think you would be approaching it a little differently.
My advice, if you are 100% set on doing a cycle, then read up on what they best cycle for you would be and take people's advice on board. A lot of guys here have great experience and although they wont always tell you what you want to hear, they will be advising you based on real experience, and thats one thing you can't learn

King

**Kratos** · 07-04-2008, 12:19 PM

Don't start, your cycle is dog crap aside from the fact you are only 18. First off, you should have caber available anytime messing with tren esp for the first time. You can grow tits from the prolactin. I have experince with tren only and I can promise you it isn't a good cycle.

**Emilio_Rebenga** · 07-04-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by wmrebel;4063***

its not so much the fact that i NEED to be better. im going to be a 3 year start, but why not be better if you can be ? which im guessing is because of the different dangers and my age.

check out the video heres the link..u might have to scroll down a little to get to it

http://www.steroid.com/video/

and here is the link to TJM's story

A Juice Story

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-04-2008, 12:20 PM

agreed

**power0311** · 07-04-2008, 12:26 PM

tren in a first cyle would not be a good idea... i was 18 wen i first used aas and im 21 now with no probs u just got to be smart about it. i was always told i would never grow on my own after i used, and people were wrong. i have put 40lbs on my squat in the last two months natty, and 25lbs on my dead lift. 575lbs raw squat and a 450 raw deadlift. had a power lifting meet 2 weeks ago and tried to get down 2 165lb class and was 3lbs heavy, 2weeks later bak up to 190 at bout 9% bf...so aas at a young age doesnt f everybody up. but do ur homework, and wen u think you now everthing, learn some more. i was under the guidance and training wit world class IPA powerlifters so maybe thats y i have had no probs.

**wmrebel** · 07-04-2008, 12:49 PM

so i read his story and it was terrible and im glad the guys all right. but his situation and mine seem completely different. that guy was taking more gear at one time then i plan to take in my whole life.

**Emilio_Rebenga** · 07-04-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by wmrebel

so i read his story and it was terrible and im glad the guys all right. but his situation and mine seem completely different. that guy was taking more gear at one time then i plan to take in my whole life.

did u see the video?