CUT/BULK Will This Work?

**RexKwonDo** · 07-04-2008, 06:47 PM

Hey Everyone,

I know it is in not optimal to cram cutting and bulking into one cycle but would it be ok for me to cut for 4 weeks to shed off a couple of those stubborn lbs on the abs and then jump into a bulking cycle?

The Plan As Of Now....
Week 1-4 (Cutting)
40mg Anavar ED
250mg of Primobolan EW
Diet: Under 1000 calories/day
High Protein Intake
Very Low Carb Intake
30 minutes aerobic ED
Heavy Lifting EOD

Week 5-11 (Bulking)
250mg Durabolin /wk (125mg e3d) (nandrolone phenyl propionate )
325mg Sustanon/wk (Test)
Diet: 3,000 Calories/Day
Heavy Lifting 5 Days a Week

PCT w/ Nolvadex , Tribulus, and Anabolic Xtreme's Advanced PCT

My question is:

Will cutting and then bulking back to back cause any problems?
Will I put the fat right back on if I go straight from cut to bulk?
Should I leave a couple weeks in between?
Should I Use HCG in PCT?
Is this too much juice for a second cycle?

I am 5'5 130lbs
Very Lean except for traces of a mild beer belly, six pack is not quite visible.
I have been dieting for 5 weeks natty and have lost around 10lbs mostly fat. I want to bulk asap, and feel as though I could cut the rest of the fat in a few more weeks with the help of some light anabolics before I bulk.
My goal is to drop 6lbs of fat while cutting and gain 10lbs of muscle in the bulk.

Please share your comments and advice. Thanks To ALL!

Sincerely,
REX KWON DO!

**Bigmax** · 07-04-2008, 06:54 PM

Bro,...how old are you???...you may need to do some research here...the cycle you outlined is pretty bad...no offense...at 130LBs you need a better base to start doing compounds..

**T_Own** · 07-04-2008, 07:14 PM

for real.. if you use that to "cut" first, you MIGHT lose a couple pounds, but it will all be regained when you bulk. water and a little fat from bulking (depending on diet) will cover any results from trying to cut

**jeffefrijoles** · 07-04-2008, 07:18 PM

Wow.... where do we start here.... Oh, look at the time!!

**jeffefrijoles** · 07-04-2008, 07:19 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ght=diet+sucks

**RexKwonDo** · 07-04-2008, 07:27 PM

Alright guys I understand steroids are prolly not the best route for me at this point, I should just train hard and eat right before I get serious about this stuff.

But Anyways,

The question remains the same.

Can you cut and then bulk in the same cycle?
Will I gain the fat back right away by bulking or can I lose fat and then keep it off and gain muscle?

I appreciate your comments and am prolly gonna scratch the whole routine anyways but just for the sake of answering the question can this be done.

Thanks again.

**RexKwonDo** · 07-04-2008, 07:52 PM

bump

**burnin69** · 07-04-2008, 09:01 PM

bulk on cycle and cut off cycle. Bridge your cycles with clen if you wanna some extra calories burned

**RexKwonDo** · 07-04-2008, 11:59 PM

Thanks for the advice?

But do i need to maintain in between dieting and bulking?

Can I jump right from a cut into a bulk?

Or do I need to wait, I don't want to gain back the fat.

PT · 07-05-2008, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by RexKwonDo

Thanks for the advice?

But do i need to maintain in between dieting and bulking?

Can I jump right from a cut into a bulk?

Or do I need to wait, I don't want to gain back the fat.

if anything you should bulk then cut not the other way around. why dont you just go for a bulk cycle and while your on eat clean and do cardio

**cutting_king** · 07-05-2008, 05:09 AM

If your going to be doing primo you will need to be doing it for a lot longer than 4 weeks. Its one of the slowest steroids to get gains from. that being said if you were to do a 12 week cycle that included primo you can get some really good gains from it that are very manageable/keepable. Also with primo being quite weak 250mg's is nowhere near enough in my opinion. even for a beginner. I know its expensive stuff but i dont think you would gain much of anything. I appreciate you might just want some gear in the 1st 4 weeks to keep any muscle you have whilst in a severe calorie deficit as you have outlined but if thats all its being used for you would be better off with test prop. Its much cheaper and would work just as well for this if not better. Secondly, as already stated, you generally gain some fat whilst bulking so the idea is generally to cut after you have been on a bulking cycle, either from pct onwards or in a seperate cycle after you have recovered from the bulker. A really good combination for cutting is IGF and Clen . However i think it just looks like you need to have a good read into cycles and decide what you think suits your goals the best. My advice would be to stick with fat burners and a clean diet (+IGF if you want to try it) for cutting/fat loss and then the usual bulking agents to bulk up.
The only other option might be to do whats known as a lean bulking cycle. That usually involves something like Tren , its very powerful and will give some really good gains whilst limiting fat/water gain as part of a cycle. However this obviously also depends on your diet/training. However i'd never recomment tren to a beginner.

King

**cfiler** · 07-06-2008, 01:33 AM

Your best bet is to do more research. Read the FAQ and Educational section.

When you are done building up a proper base, you will have the knowledge to run a safe cycle.

At only 130lbs, you should have no problem adding muscle naturally. You should read this post, there is alot of great diet information inside.
http://http://forums.steroid.com/sho...d.php?t=113010

**RexKwonDo** · 07-06-2008, 02:12 AM

thats a typo sorry no wonder im catchin crap for wanting to juice, I am 170 13% bf the 13 got me screwed up. Anyways i know I could still gain another 15lbs at the least of solid muscle naturally even though I am extremely short, but I don't feel like waiting for 2-3 years to accomplish this. I apologize if I am taking a shortcut but it is my decision after all.

**RexKwonDo** · 07-06-2008, 02:14 AM

anyways ive cut this whole hybrid cycle, im gonna just bulk

**binder** · 07-06-2008, 08:05 AM

are you 170lbs or 130lbs? i've seen you post both.

and cutting before bulking is stupid...you're going to gain it back when you bulk unless you are super clean on the diet and even still you'll bloat some. you always bulk to get size then cut to remove fat.

and, under 1000 calories is stupid. you need to read about nutrition hardcore. find your basal metabolic rate and how much you burn a day in exercise then remove 300-500 cals off that. I would say 300 kcals lower than your total for the day to give you a smooth safe drop in bf without it snapping back or causing your body to hate you. about 1-2lbs per week is max you want to drop and be healthy.

**RexKwonDo** · 07-06-2008, 09:36 AM

for the last time 170, i apologize for the mix up.

my diet has been around 1300 calories a day

**binder** · 07-06-2008, 12:56 PM

what are the distributions of macros and what micronutrients do you have added to meals to add in digestion and absorption of those macros?

1300 still sounds super low.

at 161 my cut diet was still 1800-1830 and that was pretty hard on my body already. unless you're like 40% bodyfat your BMR is going to be in the ballpark of 1800 kcals, if not a little more then if you do any cardio you could expect anywhere from 200-400 kcals burned in just that, plus your daily activities (if you have a job that requires walking, lifting, or physical activity....plus stuff around the house like mowing the yard).

it just sounds like your stats would put 1300 kcals at about 1000 kcals less than your daily usage which would be a very hard drop in kcals for the body to control.

**RexKwonDo** · 07-06-2008, 01:11 PM

Protein 50%
Carbs 25%
Fats 25%

I have been staying away from simple carbs except for post work out nutrition,and vegetables, If I do eat carbs they are usually whole grains and complex, I have been taking flax seed and fish seed oil, and have been eating chicken 3 times a day with at least 1 protein shake a day of 40gms whey. I have dropped ten lbs in the past 5 weeks. Looking very lean at this point besides a little belly fat that is half hiding my six pack. If I increase my calories by 200 cals each day over the next week and then start the bulking cycle will my body not have a chance to rebound from the drastic change in diet?

**awms** · 07-06-2008, 02:19 PM

Actualy If you dont eat a stupid amount of calories and just give your body about 200-300 cals more then what it need then on sauce you will prob loose a small amount of body fat any ways....most guy who go on sauce get a little leaner unless they are on a super heavey bulk!

**binder** · 07-06-2008, 02:20 PM

well, if your fat is low and all you have is some small fat on the stomach i definately would up your cals. extreme dieting won't remove that any faster, you'll just start to deplete your muscles. also remember, you'll burn more fat doing a low intesity workout verses cardio. Fat is energy for light to medium work. You start burning up your glycogen with the higher intesity work.

so 160 protein, 80g carb, 35g fat. I would up the carbs and the protein. You need to definately reach 1g protein per 1lb lean body mass so you're slightly shy on it. for a normal adult anything below 100g carb is pretty low and will put you in a state of ketosis. ya ya, that means burning fat for energy, but that's not always good on the body. it's very stressful on the body and it also allows for the body to pull some of the energy from breaking down protein in the muscles.

and i'm not sure what you mean about rebound? if you're going to bulk i would say just go straight to 300-500 above your daily output. the body doesn't react as bad going up in calories as it does when you remove calories that hard. your body will be very receptive at this point to any kind of food.