theory of frontloading

[peachfuzz]

Ok this is for us non believers in the theory of frontloading. What are your reasons for refusing to believe such a seemingly simple and valid argument. I still do not accept the concept myself, however the more i look into it the more i feel i am alone here. A while back i came across some great reads as to why this practice did not work, but i can no longer find them for the llife of me.

If you guys have any links to any write-ups that you could share it would be greatly appreciated. If you have an opinion that would be great as well.

Thanks in advance guys!

P.S Actual clinical studies proving that it does work is welcome too. I already understand the argument for why it does now im just looking for proof.

[Kale]

Taken from this thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=181575

Frontloading motives and benefits explained.
First and foremost, this is some absolutely 3rd grade writing. If someone will unfu(k my plight and make it clear and flowing, I'll edit it and update it. I'm TIRED.

I’m surprised there isn’t a sticky on frontloading, and if there is one, why does it seem like it’s never read.

Below are the amounts released in a week when not frontloading

250mg x 2 of enanthate

Week 1 195 39%
Week 2 336 67%
Week 3 406 81%
Week 4 447 89%
Week 5 458 92%
Week 6 466 93%
Week 7 471 94%
Week 8 473 95%


This ramping up process is because you are ADDING the remaining mg that hasn't expired from the last dosage to the next one ... which gradually builds up to a peak around week 7 or 8. Thus, you start getting the full INTENDED effect around that time. You can circumvent this WHOLE ramp up process and frontload. You're goal isn't related to what you inject weekly per se, it's how many ACTIVE mg there are in your body per day. THAT is the important number.

This is the amount you get per week if you DO frontload, and take double your dosage during the first week.

Week 1 394 79%
Week 2 475 95%
Week 3 475 95%
Week 4 475 95%
Week 5 475 95%
Week 6 475 95%
Week 7 475 95%
Week 8 475 95%


All this does is circumvent the lag time in building your weekly release value up to your target usage. This doesn't accelerate the lag of your body to start responding to it. For instance, EQ amongst other things increases RBC, maybe that's part of what takes it a while to fully kick in... but who cares about that, why not just get the full intended volume up to a steady level and go from there?

Check out the “roid calculator”. Experiment on there with different dosages, and frontloading. Set up your normal cycle on there, and see what your residual is on week 8 BEFORE you inject. Essentially, ADD that to 500mg... thats the amount of MG you need in your body to get the daily release value you're targeting.

minimizes the anxious time of waiting for it to kick in and figure out if it’s real or not.


http://www.roidcalc.com/

Remember, there are two factors that control your physical response to the drugs.

1. The daily release/active value...
2. Time for your body to start responding to it.

First, if you take Test-prop, it doesn’t affect you instantly... it takes a little while to kick in, despite its instant bio availability.

On top of that, mg per mg, enanthate is weaker, the ester takes up a greater amount of space/weight, so it's actually about 10% less than prop when considering that factor.

What would be nice is an excel spreadsheet with the formulas imbedded with locked fields for all but the necessary cells for changing the mg and half life. I would definitely make sure it was reflective of Hookers point, which is ACTIVE mg... That's an interesting subject too. :-) If he'd write a post about it… hint hint, nudge nudge.

People generally add a few weeks to cycle length when running long esters so that you actually get MORE weeks AT the intended dosage rather than spending the majority of the time building up to the peak just before quitting. The problem with this in my book is that a week with an abnormal HTPA and atrophying nuts needs damned well to be producing gains. It’s a simple decision, if I’m taking risks, I want rewards.

[T_Own]

good read ^^

[peachfuzz]

thanks kale. the thread however i understand. but where are the studies that show this my friend. show me the money!

[T_Own]

how many studies do you really need? its just simple math there.

[Kale]

thanks kale. the thread however i understand. but where are the studies that show this my friend. show me the money!

I doubt there are studies !!!!! No legitimit scientist cares about front loading I suspect, it offers no benefit in the medical world

[BIG-N-Brazil]

^^^^
They know what they are talking about...

[lex57]

its a pretty common practice in the medical field. its called a loading dose and is used to acheive therapuetic serum levels faster its basically doubling the doses. you could just google, "loading dose with long half life" and will probably find some real info. now i dont know if you'll find it related to test e or anything but you'll put 2 and 2 together if you see a drug that has like a 5 day half life like test e and draw your own conclusions from what you read. i for one am getting tired of trying to convince people what they dont want to believe. like the thread a couple of days ago where "shitman" tried to say letro doesnt cause joint pain, well it says right in the side effects of the med it causes arthralgia or joint pain.......well you'll have to read the thread to understand. but yes i think frontloading is effective, or a loading dose. hope this helps.

[lex57]

thanks kale. the thread however i understand. but where are the studies that show this my friend. show me the money!

why do we have to find it for you. youre the one who wants to know! go find it. you can google just like we can. if you dont want to believe it with the info he has provided. then dont. people come here and ask for opinions or info then once it is given you dismiss it. why dont you prove it wrong then????????????????? why dont you go find the study where the theory or practice of frontloading is disproven. show us the money.

[lex57]

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[peachfuzz]

how many studies do you really need? its just simple math there.

again i absolutely understand the theory and how simple it is on paper.

I doubt there are studies !!!!! No legitimit scientist cares about front loading I suspect, it offers no benefit in the medical world

lex beat me to this one. frontloading is practiced in the medical world, just not with AAS.

i for one am getting tired of trying to convince people what they dont want to believe. hope this helps.

I understand your frustration and im gonna take your info and see where it leads me. thank you kind sir. To me hearing people talk about frontloading is like hearing my mom telling me steroids are bad for you. Sounds like alot of regurgitated info to me with out any true understanding. Alot of factors i feel are overlooked such as alarger increase in SHBG in response to the initial dose. I have alot of jumbled ideas floating around in my head. i Think im gonna write a paper on this. And if i cant find any hard evidence to back up my non belief then i will use my undeniable persuasive powers on you all.

on a more serious note thanks again for the responses.

Is there even one single person with an advanced understanding of AAS on this board that doesnt believe in frontloading? If not then ill probably just give up my stubborn ways and save myself alot of time.

[stpete]

why do we have to find it for you. youre the one who wants to know! go find it. you can google just like we can. if you dont want to believe it with the info he has provided. then dont. people come here and ask for opinions or info then once it is given you dismiss it. why dont you prove it wrong then????????????????? why dont you go find the study where the theory or practice of frontloading is disproven. show us the money.

HAHA......KALE AND LEX ARE RIGHT.

[peachfuzz]

why do we have to find it for you. youre the one who wants to know! go find it. you can google just like we can. if you dont want to believe it with the info he has provided. then dont. people come here and ask for opinions or info then once it is given you dismiss it. why dont you prove it wrong then????????????????? why dont you go find the study where the theory or practice of frontloading is disproven. show us the money.

trust me. posting a question is more of a last resort for me. im just asking for any help others might be able to offer. such as your initial response. and with this help i hope to be able to show you the money!

[Kale]

again i absolutely understand the theory and how simple it is on paper.




lex beat me to this one. frontloading is practiced in the medical world, just not with AAS.



I understand your frustration and im gonna take your info and see where it leads me. thank you kind sir. To me hearing people talk about frontloading is like hearing my mom telling me steroids are bad for you. Sounds like alot of regurgitated info to me with out any true understanding. Alot of factors i feel are overlooked such as alarger increase in SHBG in response to the initial dose. I have alot of jumbled ideas floating around in my head. i Think im gonna write a paper on this. And if i cant find any hard evidence to back up my non belief then i will use my undeniable persuasive powers on you all.

on a more serious note thanks again for the responses.

Is there even one single person with an advanced understanding of AAS on this board that doesnt believe in frontloading? If not then ill probably just give up my stubborn ways and save myself alot of time.

Obviously I was referring to AAS

[peachfuzz]

out of everyone who practices frontloading not a single person has ever had blood work to show its effectiveness? studied under a clinical setting or not?

anyway the point of this thread was definately not for a debate. just looking for some original thinking outside the box.

dont mean to step on any toes.

[burnin69]

There is no study because frontloading is a practical way to up blood levels in the start of a cycle when the hormones are building up. I think the longer esters is where you see the most benifit from this practice.

[binder]

http://forums.steroid.com/search.php?searchid=4971046

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this was discussed a lot this week actually. check out all the threads, each has pieces of info in it. tons of info actually.

[lex57]

out of everyone who practices frontloading not a single person has ever had blood work to show its effectiveness? studied under a clinical setting or not?

anyway the point of this thread was definately not for a debate. just looking for some original thinking outside the box.

dont mean to step on any toes.

you can understand my frustration obviously. didnt mean to get heated, but at least you are intelligent enough to see the point. i think as aas users we use our gear and chems almost entirely outside the box. but at the same time, most beneficial to us. so you will almost never find studies related to how we use gear or chems. a lot of the time we rely on each other. thats what is great about these boards. if you write a paper be sure to post a draft. peace

[Shurik]

Thats a good reply Kale, I'm excited to try frontloading myself next time, cause thats the only way you will know if that theory is true or not.