injection Depth

**MercyDog** · 07-06-2008, 09:49 PM

I keep seeing alot of posts on what size pin to use and where. This thread will be boring to some but should be helpfull to others.

Diameter, I've used 18ga. -- 25gauge. The difference is how easily the oil-based product goes in and out of the syringe. Either way you get the same result (unless of course your squezzing the plunger so hard that your thumb slips and you break the pin off). Another diff. here is scar tissue may build quicker with a larger diameter. This isn't a concern for most people however because they get burnt out from lifting and don't do continued use. Another pittfall of a larger pin is if you have say 50ml or higher vials they will wear the rubber stopper out quicker. I prefer a 21g. on almost everything because it only takes me about 30 sec. to load and shoot. Its even easier to aspirate . Nevertheless, when using oils don't go over 25g. unless you have an hour or two to do your shot.

Length, I've used 1inch-2.5inch. Ok no-one can tell you what length pin to use where. Here's what you do. Grab the skin from your muscle, like your pinching yourself. You should be able to feel the skin and fat pinching in your hand. See how thick that is between your fingers, your skin and fat is 1/2 that. Now add another 1/2inch to 3/4 inch depending on how much your injecting. If you follow this starting out you should be golden. Also if your having a problem hitting inside viens then your not going deep enough. Viens do not reside inside or underneath muscle. You prob. won't be able to pinch your glute and use this technique. Unless your very low BF always use 1.5 on your glute. I use 1.5's everywhere so I don't have to pick up extra 100 count boxes, Just don't go as deep.

A couple more notes.............
Always pin at a straight 90 degree angle from the site.
its easier to break the skin if you change pins after loading.
never let your pin touch anything but the sterilized skin and rubber.
do not hit the same inject site for at least 5 days for short esters and 10 long

getting tired need to go to bed, hope this helps

**BIG-N-Brazil** · 07-06-2008, 09:51 PM

Good post......

**MercyDog** · 07-08-2008, 02:38 PM

bump for taking so long to write

**JiGGaMaN** · 07-08-2008, 02:41 PM

Good post, but did you really find it necessary to use 18 gauge or 2.5"??? That sounds like torture.

**Skully44420** · 07-08-2008, 03:25 PM

good post and very helpful..thank you

**mackerz** · 07-08-2008, 03:28 PM

nice one

**MercyDog** · 07-08-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

Good post, but did you really find it necessary to use 18 gauge or 2.5"??? That sounds like torture.

sometimes i'm stuck with the feed store for a bit, ie 18g

**smokeyd** · 07-08-2008, 04:03 PM

i draw with 18g and cant imagin pinnin with it, damn i would prob bleed out haha

**thrillam** · 07-08-2008, 04:23 PM

"do not hit the same inject site for at least 5 days for short esters and 10 long"

what does happen if you do??

**CeeLo** · 07-08-2008, 04:54 PM

Do you always sterilize the injection site before you pin?

**thrillam** · 07-08-2008, 05:03 PM

if your talking to me.. then ya i do..

**Deen54** · 07-08-2008, 07:34 PM

sterilize the injection site and the top of the vial (rubber) with alcohol
prep pad.

**sohigh** · 07-08-2008, 11:47 PM

I am using 23g 1inch to inject test P in the upper outter quadrant of the glute, is a 1 inch good enough? my ass isnt very meatty or fatty so...

**sohigh** · 07-08-2008, 11:48 PM

by glute I mean BUM

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by sohigh

I am using 23g 1inch to inject test P in the upper outter quadrant of the glute, is a 1 inch good enough? my ass isnt very meatty or fatty so...

unless you have an extremely cut or flat cheak go 1.5 put your thumb on your hip bone and inject where your middle finger lands

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by cpreasha

Do you always sterilize the injection site before you pin?

ALWAYS

Anything that your gear or pin touches, ie skin, your prone to infections

**Lemonada8** · 07-09-2008, 03:37 PM

i use 25g 1" needles for every site i inject... and it works great... no problems... idunno about glutes cause i dont inject them...

**CeeLo** · 07-09-2008, 03:40 PM

My nurse told me to use 1/2 inch pins for my thigh. I went back to the pharmacy after reading a couple of these post and wanted 1 inch needles and they wouldn't let me because they said that the doctor prescribed 1/2 inch.

I hope that I am not wasting my injections.

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by thrillam

"do not hit the same inject site for at least 5 days for short esters and 10 long"

what does happen if you do??

nothing really, but you want to give the esters time to spread in the area and enter the blood stream. You just don't want to create a buildup in the same spot. Having said that, its not wrong to hit the same spots, just not too often. Basically think of it as a time released or dissolving element in the muscle. Longer esters take more time, ie oil, while very short esters like suspension are water based.

**DeputyLoneWolf** · 07-09-2008, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by sohigh

I am using 23g 1inch to inject test P in the upper outter quadrant of the glute, is a 1 inch good enough? my ass isnt very meatty or fatty so...

1" is plenty if you have low bf I always use 20 gauge 1" Works great. Tried a 18g 1 1/2 once and felt like I had been harpooned!

Also EVERYONE in the USA you can order pins online without script so stop going to feed stores!!! Ugh

**Lemonada8** · 07-09-2008, 03:46 PM

susp has no ester on it...

and it doesnt matter if its oil or water, its all how its made... u can make susp in oil also...

it all matters on the ester, not the way of suspending the molecue in a liquid

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by DeputyLoneWolf

1" is plenty if you have low bf I always use 20 gauge 1" Works great. Tried a 18g 1 1/2 once and felt like I had been harpooned!

Also EVERYONE in the USA you can order pins online without script so stop going to feed stores!!! Ugh

I use rite aid now .35 each didn't know I could back in the day

**CeeLo** · 07-09-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

ALWAYS

Anything that your gear or pin touches, ie skin, your prone to infections

Wow, I have to pin eod and I didn't think that I had to sterilize everytime. I should of known better. Can u just use alcohol and cotton balls?

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

susp has no ester on it...

and it doesnt matter if its oil or water, its all how its made... u can make susp in oil also...

it all matters on the ester, not the way of suspending the molecue in a liquid

I always thought that the water moved to quickly leaving behind the residues in a more concentrated way. Oh well thats why I'm here learning.

I goofed on the susp. esters sorry.

So have you ever had test-e or cyp in water?

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by cpreasha

Wow, I have to pin eod and I didn't think that I had to sterilize everytime. I should of known better. Can u just use alcohol and cotton balls?

Yes, anything to kill bacteria on your skin. BA is good too

**CeeLo** · 07-09-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

Yes, anything to kill bacteria on your skin. BA is good too

What's "BA"?

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 05:40 PM

benzyl alcohol

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 05:50 PM

people often think that when they cut a cut and don't get an infection that the same holds true with shots. Not even close. When you get a cut the blood acts as a wash. Also UV light inhibits bacteria growth as well. Then you also wash that area daily. Also the temp. fluctuates.

But when you implant bacteria in 98 degree body temps, with no light, and no way of escaping......hence intramuscular injections its prime conditions for an infection. Always take the time to be sterile when injecting anything bro. Personally alot of this UG gear scares the hell out of me

**Lemonada8** · 07-09-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

I always thought that the water moved to quickly leaving behind the residues in a more concentrated way. Oh well thats why I'm here learning.

I goofed on the susp. esters sorry.

So have you ever had test-e or cyp in water?

testosterone isnt soluble in water, thats why most every version of test is in oil... test susp is in water because of how water disperses... you are right about that, but the oil doesnt effect it much(for the longer esters), thats the most it effects is you can have 1 shot ED of susp in oil, rather than water which needs 2x day shot ED.... also you have to shake up test susp... thats why...

the test molecule actually dissovles in teh BB (benzyl benzoate) and then thats soluble in oil... thats why most are in oil...

**MercyDog** · 07-09-2008, 09:50 PM

cool, I'm still learning alot of the chemistry. I know the susp. I got from the hospital came in 2 vials whereas you add the water to the powder and shake but never really knew why it was never pre-mixed, shelf life maybe? They gave it too lethargic dogs to give them a quick boost, it was a pretty common practice, good stuff btw