When should you start using multiple AAS compounds for cycles

**Michael Scott** · 07-06-2008, 11:50 PM

I just started a 10-12 week Test Prop cycle at 150mg EOD (525mg a week) last week and I've been thinking a lot about what to do for my next cycle. Time on + PCT = Time off , and then I was to go directly into another cycle.

Everybody always says you should stick to the basics, don't go introducing multiple compounds just yet, etc. But there has to be a reason why people use multiple compounds so early. If I wanted to run the same exact cycle again (525mg prop a week), would I still be making the best gains I can or would I be limiting myself somewhat ? Will my body already have gotten used to that and respond as well ? When would someone need start using compounds like Tren or Deca ? How long can I keep running test only ?

**200byjune** · 07-06-2008, 11:51 PM

u can run test only forever

**200byjune** · 07-06-2008, 11:52 PM

you never have to add other compounds

**Michael Scott** · 07-07-2008, 12:01 AM

yeah you can keep running test, but your gains are going to keep diminishing, is that right ? If not, then why do so many people run an abundance of compounds along with Test ?

PT · 07-07-2008, 01:57 AM

i usually recommend after your first cycle

**Jfew44** · 07-07-2008, 02:12 AM

The basic reason to use test only is to see how your body reacts (that and it works!). If you throw in other compounds you have nothing to base your gains off of if you chose to use a different compound the next time.

That makes sense in my head at least...

PT · 07-07-2008, 02:20 AM

exactly. test and other steroids react differently to different people and if you start with a test/deca stack and have breathing problems you wouldnt know whic caused it therfor we reccomend a test only cycle for beginers then after there inital cycle they may add one other compound

**ArkRoyal** · 07-07-2008, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Michael Scott

I just started a 10-12 week Test Prop cycle at 150mg EOD (525mg a week) last week and I've been thinking a lot about what to do for my next cycle. Time on + PCT = Time off , and then I was to go directly into another cycle.

Everybody always says you should stick to the basics, don't go introducing multiple compounds just yet, etc. But there has to be a reason why people use multiple compounds so early. If I wanted to run the same exact cycle again (525mg prop a week), would I still be making the best gains I can or would I be limiting myself somewhat ? Will my body already have gotten used to that and respond as well ? When would someone need start using compounds like Tren or Deca ? How long can I keep running test only ?

A lot depends on your age, health and exercise history. I did my first cycle when I was 48 and I had started training when I was fifteen. I started with prohormones but quickly progressed to a test only cycle of 500mg per weak. After about ten weeks it was going so well I added tri tren for 450mg per week and upped the test to 750 per week. I have to say this was my best cycle I ever did. But now I think the tri tren was at my upper limit.

I then started using more tren. This was a mistake and I layed off for awhile, lot's of sides. Currently I am running 500mg of test per week and 600 mg EQ. When I complete this at 15 weeks, that's when my vials of EQ run out, I will go on a 300 per week of tri tren for five weeks and 500 mg of test. I am thinking of adding masteron to the mix. I'm thinking of adding the masteron because of stuffing myself to put on bulk with the EQ I could use a cutter of tren and test. Masteron is supposed to help with this. I'm at about week 10 now of the EQ and test. I will let you all know how it turns out. I am now 52 years old. So what works well for me probably will not work well for someone in their twenties.

And I must say I'm not trying to get cut up for competition. I just want as much muscle as I can get and as little fat as possible. I am more interested in strength then looks. But for a fifty year old guy I look pretty good. But if I get between 15 and 20 percent of body fat I look at that as money in the bank. I was real sick in the past and having extra fat on you is energy to fight off the disease, bodfy ft when very ill is all important it protects your muscles from catabolizum. I had cancer, very bad and very advanced, and did very well with it. A year or so ago I was in the oncology center after I had finished chemo and was waiting for a follow up visit. A woman, about my age, asked me if I was waiting for someone. She just couldn't believe that I had had cancer and looked this good. She kept feeling my arms and shoulders. I told her how I had gone through eight weeks of on of the harshest forms of chemo going, RCHOP, and lived. Then hit the gym. In the beginning all I could do was sit or lie down because my organs hurt so much. But I'm a real tough bastard and didn't quit. Now I concentrate on things like deadlifts, clean and press, DB bench press and ass to the grass squats and just about any multi joint exercise I can think of. My advice is when on cycle stick to multi joint exercises and save the finishing exercises for when you are not on cycle. If the sweat is not pouring off you when you do a set you are not pushing hard enough. There are a lot of young men in the gym that can lift more but few have my intensity. Death is a great motivator!!

**Michael Scott** · 07-07-2008, 08:02 AM

Say I gain 20lbs on my current and first cycle of Test Prop, could I still gain 20lbs on another prop only cycle at the same dosage or am I going to have to add something else to keep making equal gains ?

**Oki-Des** · 07-07-2008, 08:27 AM

It is difficult to say. Everyone wants numbers, but you have to just try it yourself. For example, if you lose 5 pounds of fat doing a specific weight loss routine for one month, you may not lose another 5 pounds the second time you do the same thing for the following month. If you gain 20 pound on your cycle only a portion of this is muscle. You will have some fat, if bulking and water weight. When all is said and done you may lose the water weight and fat and only be 10 pounds, as an example, heavier than when you started. Then the next time you do AAS you may only gain 17 pounds, but you will be seven pounds heavier than you ever were. No one can tell you what you will gain on future cycles just like no one can tell you what you will gain on this one. We all experience different results and come here to post them, but we can not say that this is what will happen to you if you do the same thing. Good luck.
I know that you are asking if more compounds are needed to keep gaining 20 pound increments, but you should not look at it like this. You should simply start out slow and build up slow.

**Johny-too-small** · 07-07-2008, 08:34 AM

Im not a huge fan of multi-compound cycles unless you are going into some professional work that requires the additional risks in order to acheive a paycheck or career goal. Far to many guys jump right into 2 compounds on their first or second cycle and then ramp it up to 4 or more by their 3rd cycle.

Here are the problems one may encounter even on a simple test only cycle:
1) Adrenal fatigue
Many call this receptor saturation, lol. There is not such thing.
2) Fat gain
Sure a little adjustment in calories is good, but adding 1000 or more cals just because youre on cycle is just silly. Most of the time all the calories are added in protein calories. Not evenly with fats and carbs. EVEN ON THE BEST OF CYCLES the most amount of LBM that a typical person will add will be around 4-6lbs. However, there are always exceptions, but this is typical.
3) Injury
Joint, tendon, back and CNS injuries occor all the time because peeps now think they can train like cortisol does not apply to them. 99% of newbs overtrain as it is.
4) Blood levels
Hemocratic, lipid profiles, BP, estrogen, etc. are all over the map and not in a good way. Yet the only solution for the newb: MORE DRUGS!

This is just for starters...now take all this into account with the fact that bodybuilding is not learned in a few weeks, months, or years but a lifetime and you are bound to get yourself into some longevity issues.

No one realizes how much mass can be put on with a great diet and a little bit of weight lifting. Add a cycle or 2 of test only and you could easily put on 6-10lbs of lean tissue per year and stay healthier and leaner!

**Michael Scott** · 07-07-2008, 09:17 AM

4-6lbs a cycle , 6-10lbs a year ,are you sure about those numbers ? I think many people could put on 6-10lbs of LBM in a year naturally.

**Johny-too-small** · 07-07-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Michael Scott

4-6lbs a cycle , 6-10lbs a year ,are you sure about those numbers ? I think many people could put on 6-10lbs of LBM in a year naturally.

Am I sure? Why would I take time to post in your thread only to be clueless? If one gained 10lbs a year natty then we would all be Jay Cutler in 4 years without aas. Think about it man! 40lbs of LBM in 4 years? I think my numbers are generous LOL.

**Michael Scott** · 07-07-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Am I sure? Why would I take time to post in your thread only to be clueless? If one gained 10lbs a year natty then we would all be Jay Cutler in 4 years without aas. Think about it man! 40lbs of LBM in 4 years? I think my numbers are generous LOL.

I meant 6-10lbs a year before reaching your natural limit, whatever that may be. And maybe we have a misunderstanding about you saying even with AAS you can only gain 6-10lbs of LBM each year, do you mean that's when you're first starting AAS, as in your first couple of cycles, cause I find that very hard to believe, unless everybody who says they've gained 15lbs-20lbs on each of their first 2 cycles really just gained 75% fat. But if you mean 6-10lbs a year for a very experienced AAS user, then I believe that.

**Johny-too-small** · 07-07-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Michael Scott

I meant 6-10lbs a year before reaching your natural limit, whatever that may be. And maybe we have a misunderstanding about you saying even with AAS you can only gain 6-10lbs of LBM each year, do you mean that's when you're first starting AAS, as in your first couple of cycles, cause I find that very hard to believe, unless everybody who says they've gained 15lbs-20lbs on each of their first 2 cycles really just gained 75% fat. But if you mean 6-10lbs a year for a very experienced AAS user, then I believe that.

Yes, mostly fat and water.

**Johny-too-small** · 07-07-2008, 11:59 AM

Listen, you obviously think Im full of it, so please, see for yourself. Keep your BF% the same as you gain LBM and find out for yourself how easy it is to put on LBM with or without gear. Good luck, Ill be here to see your results after a few years!

**Michael Scott** · 07-07-2008, 12:44 PM

let me get back to my original question, if I want to make the same exact gains that I will make on my current cycle, should I repeat the same exact cycle for my next cycle or will I have to add something else like Test + deca or Test + Tren (afraid of tren cause I hear a lot of bad sides come with it, and I know it's very powerful and more designed for advanced AAS users).

***RAGE*** · 07-07-2008, 01:05 PM

It is like lifting the same weight over and over. You have to lift more to get stronger. The same is when you cycle you have to do a little more to keep your edge or gains.

**Michael Scott** · 07-07-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by ufcfighter5

It is like lifting the same weight over and over. You have to lift more to get stronger. The same is when you cycle you have to do a little more to keep your edge or gains.

That's exactly what I wanted to know, so I would have to add another compound or increase the dosage of Test if I want to keep making good gains. I was just wondering what the process is and how gradual of an increase should you attempt.