Need some advice

[tbjake34]

Okay guys so I havent been on in a few months and im looking to start a very big winter bulker. I have ran 3 cycles. All 3 with test at 500mg/wk and one with dbol to kick start and one with drol to kick start... But since I havent been on in a while im looking for a little more advanced cycle. My current stats, im right around 225lbs at about 7% bf and im 5ft 10in. So what Im asking is for a few cycles that you guys think would be good for me.. Not to advanced but not to basic. O and I have a budget of about $500.

[Michael Scott]

classic bulking cycle

1-4 Dbol
1-12 Test E
1-10 Deca

we're not supposed to discuss prices here but I'm not sure you could fit that on your budget. Maybe you can just go with Test and Dbol again but this time use more Test.

[tbjake34]

classic bulking cycle

1-4 Dbol
1-12 Test E
1-10 Deca

we're not supposed to discuss prices here but I'm not sure you could fit that on your budget. Maybe you can just go with Test and Dbol again but this time use more Test.

I was thinking this same cycle... But I was thinking maybe tren instead of deca.. Are there any advantages to tren over deca? Disadvantages?

[VTliftVT]

how about an oral, a test, and an anabolic ...

test e 750mg/week 1-14
deca /eq 400-600mg/week 1-12
dbol /tbol 1-4 50mg/week

there ya go...

and i dont want to hear about the "THIS IS TOO LONG FOR TEST" bc its not. you need to run the test 2 weeks longer than eq as its still active for 4 weeks past the last shot (as in your not on PCT if the eq / deca is still active). So you run the eq/deca for its max effective time (12 weeks) and the test for two extra so when you take your two weeks off after your last shot your ready for PCT. When your shut down your shut down. Your body will not all of a sudden go into some sort of shock or inability to recover natty test if you run test 10 weeks or 12 weeks.

I would also run HCG starting in week 4 every 5 days at 500iu.

Start PCT with nolva and or nolva/clomid at week 16.

week 16 nolva 40mg/day and/or clomid 100mg/day
week 17-20 nolva 20mg/day and/of clomid 50mg/day

[VTliftVT]

well i was beaten to it....

i would save tren for the time frame when you decide to step on stage. first off your first time with tren should be tren ace as many people have extremely negative side effects with tren (night sweats being my least favorite). obviously being a long ester cycle tren e would work best but again, you have far more control over the dose and sides with ace. i suggest save tren for a cutter if you must try it and use ace first to see how you respond. start slow with 25-50mg/EOD

[tbjake34]

how about an oral, a test, and an anabolic ...

test e 750mg/week 1-14
deca /eq 400-600mg/week 1-12
dbol /tbol 1-4 50mg/week

there ya go...

and i dont want to hear about the "THIS IS TOO LONG FOR TEST" bc its not. you need to run the test 2 weeks longer than eq as its still active for 4 weeks past the last shot (as in your not on PCT if the eq / deca is still active). So you run the eq/deca for its max effective time (12 weeks) and the test for two extra so when you take your two weeks off after your last shot your ready for PCT. When your shut down your shut down. Your body will not all of a sudden go into some sort of shock or inability to recover natty test if you run test 10 weeks or 12 weeks.

I would also run HCG starting in week 4 every 5 days at 500iu.

Start PCT with nolva and or nolva/clomid at week 16.

week 16 nolva 40mg/day and/or clomid 100mg/day
week 17-20 nolva 20mg/day and/of clomid 50mg/day

Good advice and I think im going to run that cycle but with deca over the EQ.

[VTliftVT]

deca is a progesterone so you certainly want to have caber/bromo on hand if at all possible. some also like to include arimidex /aromasin at .25mg/EOD to help with the bloat due to excess estrogen. i personally do this but i also do not like to keep adding compounds....i guess im my own hypocrit.

[Michael Scott]

I was thinking this same cycle... But I was thinking maybe tren instead of deca.. Are there any advantages to tren over deca? Disadvantages?

better gains and no bloat on Tren but more harsh sides as well. Also if you run Tren you should run Ace, and it's best to inject everyday, whereas you can get away with 1 or 2 injections a week on Deca

[Michael Scott]

deca is a progesterone so you certainly want to have caber/bromo on hand if at all possible. some also like to include arimidex/aromasin at .25mg/EOD to help with the bloat due to excess estrogen. i personally do this but i also do not like to keep adding compounds....i guess im my own hypocrit.

I thought that an AI wouldn't help with Deca bloat ?

[VTliftVT]

it wont, it will with the test bloat (ie estrogen)