overtraining???

**stinky** · 10-27-2002, 08:24 PM

I'm lifting now 5 days/wk

mon. chest-tri's -delt's-stomach
tues. back-bi's-forearms
wed. legs-calves-traps-neck
thurs.chest-tri's-delts-stomach
fi. back-bi's-forearms

I've been lifting this now for a few months and have went up in strength. all my workouts are atleast 12-15 sets per muscle at 8-12 reps
I havent juiced yet but am going to soon, was wodering if this routine woud still work or if i should cut down to 1 day a week for each body part... I dont have as much strength on thursdays and fridays as i do mondays and tuesdays. thats why i am questioning this routine..
>>>>>> Thanks

**BullDogg20** · 10-27-2002, 08:31 PM

I think you are overtraining forsure man, i use to train just like you, and ya at first you see god results.. no doubt about it!!! However it takes its toll after a while. I would train like this.

Mon. Chest-triceps
tues. back-bi's
wed. Legs-calves
thursday shoulder-traps

if that how you want it. but that will leave you with a three day rest period, and if you are like me. you love beinf at the Gym.

so inother words i would do a 2 days split routin similar to what i wrote but work oit like this. 2 days on 1 day off.

I plan on changing my routin to a 2 day split this week.

anyways bro, if u have anymore questions just ask away

And i would wait on the juice if you have been training for only a few months. You can make great progress naturally for a while, if your training is right and diet is right, and dont forget proper supplementation.

what are your stats. age, height, weight, experiance ..etc.

**Full Intensity** · 10-27-2002, 08:31 PM

with that many sets and 12 reps you have a routine fit to tone, not to bulk. If you are going to use AS i would suggest cutting down to one body part a week. But experiment to see what works best

**stinky** · 10-27-2002, 08:41 PM

20yrs.old 6'3'' 210 been lifting 3 years last year got real serious changed diet 6 meals/day 250 gms. protein put on 20lbs past 6months now nothing much more than maybe 1 or 2 lbs a month if im lucky.

**stinky** · 10-27-2002, 08:42 PM

I do more like 6-8 reps on large mucslces and 8-12 on small ones like bi's and tri's calves

**djdjdjddjon** · 10-28-2002, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Full Intensity
with that many sets and 12 reps you have a routine fit to tone, not to bulk. If you are going to use AS i would suggest cutting down to one body part a week. But experiment to see what works best

totally agree, i been jucing 2 years now, and i been training 6, and i dont even train like that...i do 1 bp a day, and inadvertedly 1 bp a week, chest, tri, back, bi, shoulders, legs, rest...repeat...been working really well for over a year now, gives you proper time to recover and you can focus all your energy on that targeted muscle group, i am much too tired after a chest workout to proceed with biceps or triceps, hence im not giving it all i can...and as far as the workout, you dont need that much bro, not like this means shit but its just a good example, dorian yates used to do 1-4 sets per body part...maximum weight, till failure, looks like it got him pretty far wouldn't you say? nevertheless, we usually do 8-12 sets for large muscle groups (legs, back, chest, shoulders) and 6-10 for smaller (biceps, triceps, abs, calves) with 70-80% of max weight and reps ranging no lower than 4 but no higher than 10...strictly mass/strength phase right now, good luck and i hope this 'essay' gives you a little insight and personal opion...

**stinky** · 10-28-2002, 05:07 PM

Thanks Bro.

**Totenkopf** · 10-28-2002, 06:27 PM

I do a Three day on One day off
I Have to work around my schedual at work. But it works well for me.
If i feel i need more rest i take another day off and when i go back i pick up where i should have.
I do
day 1_Chest/Tris
day 2-Back/Bis
day 3-Shoulders/Legs
day 4-off
The next month ill switch it up
Day 1-Chest/Bis
Day 2-Back/Legs*Only fault in this is back work out suffers a little
Day 3-Shoulders/tris
day 4-off
I throw in Abs and calfs whenever i feel up too it usually 2 times a week

**stinky** · 10-28-2002, 07:08 PM

thats a good idea changing that way, ive never seen anyone change muscle combo's ....I'm thinkin about tryin an Eq and Var cycle, or Eq and Winny, I think the Eq and Winny may give me better results, I'm only lookin for solid gains and this is my first time so, im not sure yet... If i make a gain of 15lbs i will be a happy boy! I will be even happier if i can keep most of it....

**Totenkopf** · 10-28-2002, 07:13 PM

I like changing it up i feel it helps with gains and it defintaely help the routine.
I really Like Anavar (hate the price)

**Grant** · 10-29-2002, 01:00 PM

the chest tricep combo is really hard to pull of unless you do intend on doing chest and coming back for tri later on in the day. I have not seen too many people who can do their chest sets and then get at triceps %100.