powders

[pyrothehitman]

alot of people buy raw powder and homebrew their own gear...my question is how do they make the raw powder originally? i looked everywhere on the net but cant find anything on this subject...any1 know?

[No One Knows]

In a high tech lab with all sorts of expensive equipment...

[Amorphic]

no idea, but its not something you can make yourself

[one8nine]

think about it thats where all the weird stuff came from anyway- nandrolone, boldenone, oxandrolone, all just powders made by labs.

then they take that, add a fatty substance called an ester- propioate, enanthate, decanoate

then b-d or i-p or n*** or whatever big company does the same exact thing we do at home, just in a big lab they start with powders


but nearly everything started with a recreation of test or dht and its all just change this carbon to a a double hydrogen by single replacement or whatever they do and thats where the unnatural stuff comes from

hope that helped some

[Lemonada8]

genetic recombination.... the test base molecule is made from bacteria....

[MercyDog]

I could def. be wrong but I always thought they used Cholesterol and tweeked that chemically to make other things. May just be one way out of a bunch however.

[pyrothehitman]

theres alot of confusion and lack of knowledge on this subject....we should all look into this and report back with new findings..because im def. curious.

[JiGGaMaN]

I could def. be wrong but I always thought they used Cholesterol and tweeked that chemically to make other things. May just be one way out of a bunch however.

Thats how test is synthesized, most other anabolics are synthesized from test.

[wilson9d]

They take dry bull testicles and grind it up into a powder. Some times they use other animals. I once had some gear with a pic of a kangaroo so I am sure they used kangaroo balls.

[JiGGaMaN]

They take dry bull testicles and grind it up into a powder. Some times they use other animals. I once had some gear with a pic of a kangaroo so I am sure they used kangaroo balls.

That was before they figured out how to make it synethetically. I was reading some studies on the early ways of extracting testosterone (that you just mentioned) and it takes a lot of testicals to make test They havent used that method in, oh, about 60 years at least.

[pyrothehitman]

ru serious about the bull nuts?...lol...i swear i will start cuttin all the balls off every bull i see...lol...lolo....jkjkjkjk but if i knew how to do it i would probably hit up the local butcher or slaughter house and see about purchasing them...j-a-t

[MercyDog]

ru serious about the bull nuts?...lol...i swear i will start cuttin all the balls off every bull i see...lol...lolo....jkjkjkjk but if i knew how to do it i would probably hit up the local butcher or slaughter house and see about purchasing them...j-a-t

One of the first signs of steroids on record was from 100's of years ago when the egyptians injested balls and reported a sense of wellbeing.

The scientist that labeled testosterone noticed that when you cut a roosters nuts off he looses his male characteristics. He then implanted his nuts in his back and it grew back.

Later they injected balls and thought the found "the fountain of youth"

[MercyDog]

why do you think we big ole farm boys eat mountain oysters. lol

[JiGGaMaN]

why do you think we big ole farm boys eat mountain oysters. lol

Because they are delicious. However, empirical evidence suggests that consuming test orally is not effective

[MercyDog]

They take dry bull testicles and grind it up into a powder. Some times they use other animals. I once had some gear with a pic of a kangaroo so I am sure they used kangaroo balls.

I swear I actually did this at like 14 y.o., got an infection from the inject too. Maybe thats why I'm bullish.

[Pac Man]

Just wait till you learn what estrogen is made from

[pyrothehitman]

i know hgh use to be sucked out of the pituitary gland of cadavars....what estro made from?

[Pac Man]

horse urine

[pyrothehitman]

look at what i found...and it does look pretty hard

Materials needed--

Androstenedione (powder)
Methanol
Sodium Borohydride
Acetic Acid
Distilled Water
Litmus Paper
Thermometer
Also:
Beaker or glass container for the reaction, a pot for salt ice water bath, a spoon, fliter, an eropper (1 to 2cc).

Procedure--

10 grams of Androstenedione is dissolved in 400ml methanol and cooled to 32 degrees Fahrenheit in a salt/ice bath (like making ice cream)

2.5g sodium borohydride is added while the solution is stirred.

Stir for 45 minutes while the temp is 32 degrees.

After 45 minutes, acetic acid is added, while stirring, in increments of 2ml at a time (hydrogen gas will evolve)

After each addition, the pH of the solution should be checked.

When the pH begins to turn acidic on the litmus paper, then stop.

Concentrate methanol solution to 50ml by evaporation.

Mix with 700ml distilled water.

Filter off the cloudy precipitate.

Wash filter cake with water several times.

Air or oven dry at a temp of no more that 150 degrees.

Final product will be 80% test, with the rest being unreacted andro and a mix of 3-alpha, 17-beta, and 3-beta, 17-beta androstendiols. All of which are also anabolic.

For administration, mix with propyleneglycol and or ethanol in a concentration of 30mg/ml, and take 1/3 of a millimeter, or 33insulin IUs under the tongue, one hour before training.
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*Or this?*

SYNTHESIS OF TESTOSTERONE FROM DHEA
Testerone from bacteria culture
US Patent # 2,236,574

Suspend 40g yeast in 160 ml water and add, if possible, 1.5g of disodium hydrogen phosphate and potassium dihydrogen phosphate. Shake in oxygen atmosphere for 1 day and then add lg (1000mg) DHEA suspended in 150ml of
water and shake for another 2 days in oxygen atmosphere. Then add 130g invert sugar (or brown sugar or honey) and let stand 3 days at room temperature. The mixture is then extracted with three 50ml portions of ether (shaken with the
ether then the ether separated) or methylene chloride, and the ether washed by shaking with water and separating ether solution. Evaporate ether to get testosterone.

SYNTHESIS OF ESTER OF TESTOSTERONE
(cypionate and propionate)

Dissolve 5g testosterone (or analog) in 25mi pyridine or dry ether and add 3g propionic anhydride (or propionyl chloride) OR cypionyl chloride(cyclopentylpropionyl chloride) to get the propionate and cypionate
respectively. Let stand over night and add excess water, filter, wash, and dry.


Steroids Related to Testosterone

Oil-soluble derivatives of testosterone itself predate those of its 19-nor congener, these agents too are used to administer depot injections so as to provide in effect long term blood levels of drug. Thus, acylation of testosterone with propionyl chloride in the presence of pyridine yields
testosterone propionate; acylation by means of decanoic anhydride yields testosterone decanoate. Finally, reaction with 3-cyclopentylpropionyl chloride affords testosterone cypionate. This last undergoes hydrolysis unusually slowly because of the presence of two substituents at the 6 postion.

Reaction of dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) with an excess of methylmagnesium bromide affords the 17a-methyl compound; again the aforementioned stedc effects lead to high stereoselectivity. Oppenauer oxidation of the resultant
intermediate proceeds with a shift of the double bond into conjugation to yield methyltestosterone. When the initial condensation is canted out with the Grignard reagent from allyl bromide instead, this sequence yields allylestrenol. Perhaps most startling is the fact that the product obtained
from the use of a metal acetylide in this synthesis . ethisterone, shows little if any, if any androgenic potency. Instead, the compound is an orally effective progestin.

These agents have all been used at one time as orally active
anabolic-androgenic agents. Dehydrogenation of methyltestosterone by means of chloranil extends the conjugation to afford the 4,6-diene-3-one- system. This
compound in turn undergoes 1,6 conjugate addition of methylmagnesium bromide in the presence of cuprous chloride to afford largely the 6a-methyl product,known as bolasterones.
Dehydrogenation with selenium dioxide, on the other hand, affords the cross conjugated diene, aka Dianabol.

Hydroxylation of the double bond of methyltestosterone by means of osmium tetro dde and hydrogen peroxide afford the 4,5 diol. This undergoes beta elimination on treatment with base to yield oxymestrone.

Catalytic reduction of DHEA goes as expected largely from the unhindered side of the molecule to afford a trans A/B dng fusion. Reaction with methyl Grignard reagent followed by oxidation of the intermediate yields androstanolone (1). Formylation of (1) with ethyl formate and base gives
oxymetholone (aka Anadrol), Catalytic reduction of the analogous hydroxmethylene compound from dihydrotestosterone propionate gives first the 28-methyl product. Treatment with base leads this to isomerize to the thermodynamically favored equatedal 2a-methyl compound., dromostanolone
propionate. The formyl ketone undergoes a reaction typical of this fuctional array on treatment with hydazine, leading to formation of the anabolic steroidal pyrazole, stanazole.

[eliteforce]

ancient greek athletes used to also juice that way, by hacking off an animals testes and eating them raw-yummy

[Alex_235]

ancient greek athletes used to also juice that way, by hacking off an animals testes and eating them raw-yummy

rocky mountain oysters anyone???

[smokeyd]

i thought it came from a cactus plant?

[one8nine]

http://www.teachersdomain.org/resour...oid/index.html

[pyrothehitman]

http://www.teachersdomain.org/resour...oid/index.html

great find bro....thats 80% of what i was looking for...the other 20% is the actual detailed process.......who wouldve thought steroids come from plants...and that it only takes 8 steps to get it to animal steroids...exellent hunting skillz...A+++ ...... respect

[one8nine]

i googled how to make steroids, it was like the fifth link down ha ha

[pyrothehitman]

i google that exact same phrase word for word....must have missed it just got alot of crap about bulls nuts..well thanx for the post anywat....good reading

[Bremac]

alot of people buy raw powder and homebrew their own gear...my question is how do they make the raw powder originally? i looked everywhere on the net but cant find anything on this subject...any1 know?

There are some very creative answers here. These days anabolic steroids and testosterone are made from a feedstock of diosegenin which is a steroid molecule present in extract of wild yam. There are some microbiological techniques used, but they are not recombinant DNA techniques, that involves genetic manipulation by inserting circular DNA molecules into bacteria or an egg of a multicellular organism in hopes the DNA will incorporate into natural DNA of the host. It is more like a fermentation process by which testosterone is made by bacteria, common yeast can be employed and with the right yeast nutrient from a home brew supply you can make testosterone from Cholesterol or dhea in about three days but infection of the broth is a major problem at home.
Otherwise test is made from extract of wild yam through a series of reactions to truncate the chain on the 17 carbon and reduce it to an alcohol or ketone group like dhea.
From dhea one can make test, methyltest, boldenone, and methandrosteneolone. Methyl lithium is used to methylate at 17 then oxidation of 3-OH with a dichromate or manganese dioxide gives methyl test. The same oxidation with selenium dioxide will give d-bol. Boldenone is made by borohydride reduction of dhea and subsequent oxidation with selenium dioxide.
There are countless other syntheses of infinite steroids, they will never stop coming, you never need worry about losing you legal ph's, we have thousands in line that are not scheduled, if they schedule one, we'll make a new one.
You must be careful though alot of todays ps's and ph's are highly cytotoxic and are actually chemotherapy drugs that were not approved for use anywhere but china, i.e epi.
If a prohormone were highly anabolic it would not be a prohormone it would have been considered an anabolic steroid back in the sixties when it was invented, none of todays prohormones are "new exciting compounds" they are the shit ones that didn't make the cut 40 years ago.
Many steroids can be synthesized in your kitchen, it doesn't require fancy equipment, I've had four years of laboratory steroid synth obtaining a PHD on the topic and I rarely came across a standard steroid with a reaction that required anything more than a reflux/distilling setup.
commercial steroids never came from balls, you know how many balls that would take, you would have to squeeze the test out of like 10 bulls balls to get one 10 ml bottle of suspension. gH and slin did at one point come from the dead.