Novice cycle recommendations

[whos_bad]

Hi again, my stats, 20yrs, 6"4', 210lbs, with less then 12% body fat. I am naturally a hard gainer, so the only way I can put on weight is by eating alot and working hard.

I have about 6-8months to gain and be around 250-60lbs. I just finished high school about 1yr ago and went to gym alot. I am a wide receiver looking to make it for tight end.

Can any experienced guys recommend a cycle for me which will provide the best gains and anything else I need to know?


Much appreciated.

[inky-e]

Hi again. 60lbs in 6-8 months? Hmmmm, just settle into your kitchen and don't leave unless its to the gym or to the bathroom. If you really really feel you have to cycle, then a test cycle of about 500mg's for 10-12 weeks would be my suggestion. Your diet has to be kicking! I don't think you will be able to put on the weight. Prove me wrong.

[whos_bad]

Lol, well in all honesty, right now, all I do is gym and eat and maybe do something during the day, but sleep and diet are there, so I dont know man, but in general, what are the likely gains in 6-8months with a test cycle?

[XD40]

It all depends on YOU bro! your body,diet and workout routine will decide that...there is no set weight you will gain...good luck

[whos_bad]

Kind of dumb for me to ask what gains are there, but I just wanna start somewhere, you know, and right now I am getting so many different suggestions, I dont know where to start.

[inky-e]

You're not planning on doing test the whole 6-8 months are you?

[Phate]

Kind of dumb for me to ask what gains are there, but I just wanna start somewhere, you know, and right now I am getting so many different suggestions, I dont know where to start.

i'll give you a place to start, lol

DIET HELP

here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

WORKOUT

PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS – Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS – cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Before Bed – Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5

Each chicken meal served with a handful of fibrous green veg bringing carbs to approx 200g per day in total.

DIET 2

Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

macros:Calories: 2615
Protein: 335
Carbs: 111
Fats: 74


TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

[WARMachine]

phate186 just layed it out for you bro....

thats a great diet and post

Good luck WHOSBAD!

btw, are you looking to be an OT or TE??? cause i was sure you said OT in another post a while back....



Meal 1:
10 egg whites
80 gram oatmeal (dry weight)
6 fish oil gel caps
Meal 2
6 oz chicken
7.5 oz cooked sweet potato
1 table spoon olive oil
Meal 3
6 oz chicken, turkey or beef
175 grams cooked barley
1 table spoon almond oil
Meal 4
Repeat meal 3 , but replace barley with 175 grams cooked lentils
Meal 5
Repeat meal # 2
Meal 6
6 oz beef or chicken
300 grams strawberries/blueberries
Salad with 1 tablespoon olive oil

is my current diet... as laid out by the man PINNACLE


basically, you need to EAT, EAT, TRAIN, SLEPP, EAT, AND SLEEP AGAIN!


60lbs is a lot of weight, but, its all up to you bro!

how much are you gonna want it?

[whos_bad]

first of all, thank you very much for the detailed reply, no I wont be on it for the 6-8 months and I know I will be tested but not the first year, and even when tested, its not gonna be a big deal if they find anything. I will have a read of the stuff you guys posted in detail and take it from there, thanks again, you guys are great.