NPP and Prop instead of Deca and Test E for a bulking cycle ?

[Michael Scott]

How come most bulking cycles I see involving Nandrolone and Test are long estered cycles ? Wouldn't you get the same results running NPP and Prop for 8-10 weeks as you would get running Deca and Test E or C for 12-14 weeks ? Can anybody shed some light on this.

[Michael Scott]

Also there should be a lot less bloat running NPP instead of Deca right ?

[10nispro]

Check out amorphics cycle log and you will have more answers than you want.

[Michael Scott]

Check out amorphics cycle log and you will have more answers than you want.

I'll do that. Anybody got some direct answers to my OP ?

[one8nine]

How come most bulking cycles I see involving Nandrolone and Test are long estered cycles ? Wouldn't you get the same results running NPP and Prop for 8-10 weeks as you would get running Deca and Test E or C for 12-14 weeks ? Can anybody shed some light on this.

probably better results and less sides
people are scared of needles

[Michael Scott]

probably better results and less sides
people are scared of needles

What do you think a good amount of time to run the NPP would be, 8 weeks, 10 weeks, etc ? I know you can run Prop and NPP for the same duration, unlike Test E and Deca where Test needs to be run 2 weeks longer , because they both have the same half life.

[one8nine]

What do you think a good amount of time to run the NPP would be, 8 weeks, 10 weeks, etc ? I know you can run Prop and NPP for the same duration, unlike Test E and Deca where Test needs to be run 2 weeks longer , because they both have the same half life.

this is actually untrue
phenylpropionate is longer than propionate
but 19 nors have metabolites that stick around a little after the ester clears
atleast 1 week difference
i usually run 12 weekers

[Michael Scott]

this is actually untrue
phenylpropionate is longer than propionate
but 19 nors have metabolites that stick around a little after the ester clears
atleast 1 week difference
i usually run 12 weekers

Oh I didn't know that. So you run prop 12 weeks and NPP 11 weeks ? That means you're getting a whole lot more out of the NPP then somebody would get running Deca for 11 weeks cause the NPP kicks in almost immediately while Deca takes like 4-5 weeks. Is that true ?

[Michael Scott]

bump

[one8nine]

Oh I didn't know that. So you run prop 12 weeks and NPP 11 weeks ? That means you're getting a whole lot more out of the NPP then somebody would get running Deca for 11 weeks cause the NPP kicks in almost immediately while Deca takes like 4-5 weeks. Is that true ?

correcto

[powerliftmike]

People prefer the longer esters because of the extra water retention for bulking and its easier to run higher dosages. and its usually much cheaper...

[Michael Scott]

correcto

So then unless somebody really hates injections it would make no sense to run Deca + Test E rather than NPP + Prop

[legobricks]

So then unless somebody really hates injections it would make no sense to run Deca + Test E rather than NPP + Prop

Exactly. This will be my next cycle actually and im looking forward to it. The great thing about short esters is less time on wich equals faster time to get back to cycleing where as long esters you have to run longer, wait 2 weeks before PCT then you know the rest. Yes bloat is very nice for bulking as it helps with strength, confidence in the gym, you see the size come on...short esters you still gain water weight but its not ridiculous like some of the longer ester brothers.

Im def incorporating more short esters for future cycles.

[Michael Scott]

Exactly. This will be my next cycle actually and im looking forward to it. The great thing about short esters is less time on wich equals faster time to get back to cycleing where as long esters you have to run longer, wait 2 weeks before PCT then you know the rest. Yes bloat is very nice for bulking as it helps with strength, confidence in the gym, you see the size come on...short esters you still gain water weight but its not ridiculous like some of the longer ester brothers.

Im def incorporating more short esters for future cycles.

how many weeks are you planning on running it ? I figure that somebody would start seeing diminishing returns if running a short estered cycle as long as somebody usually runs a long estered cycle. Don't your receptors get worn out or something like that ?

[one8nine]

how many weeks are you planning on running it ? I figure that somebody would start seeing diminishing returns if running a short estered cycle as long as somebody usually runs a long estered cycle. Don't your receptors get worn out or something like that ?

i dont
i usually quit weeks 10-14 cause im sick of inject every day
not scared of needles or anything, just sometimes a dude needs a BREAK ha ha

[Michael Scott]

i dont
i usually quit weeks 10-14 cause im sick of inject every day
not scared of needles or anything, just sometimes a dude needs a BREAK ha ha

that's some great genetics you got there then.

[Michael Scott]

bump

[jstraw428]

after 15 wks of 12 injections every week,....i was more than ready to stop.....

[T_Own]

after 15 wks of 12 injections every week,....i was more than ready to stop.....

you don't mix them?