new to this Steroids stuff Adice needed please!

[normski]

Hi to everyone out there! I have body building on and off for well over 30 years, now early 50’s. I have not been training consistently for the 30 + years but had, 6 months here and there loads of time over that period. Anyway, I have decided to get back into it and give it one last shot at attempting to get a nice big body at least as I am now far too old to even dream of becoming an Arnold! Prior to all this a long, long time ago, I thought you just take a good amount of quality food and protean supplements and eventually you ended up like a monster. I then found out, that’s not quite the case. The really big guys, have this added extra called Steroids. Well back then it was a lot harder to get hold of and of course there were very odd stories which seem to be attached to taking them, like, you turn in to girls, and it messes with you mind and you go gay or something. I have since done some reading on the stuff, and found that it’s not quite that bad at all.

The point I am now attempting to find out as I have now found a supply of genuine Metandrostenolon and have started to take 20mg’s per day. What effects can I expect while training and after training. The write up sound great, but just how accurate it. Does it massively increase strength, it almost makes it sound like after a couple of days taking this stuff, I start to turn into some odd type of superman, if you know what I mean, or is it just hype. Will I notice a change in the gym, on my past efforts or not! And how soon training hard for about an hour and a half 3 or 4 time a week can I expect to see some noticeable changes?

Any info or help most grateful, Thanks

[G4R]

What are your stats?
Height?
Weight?
BF%
PCT Knowledge?

[normski]

What are your stats?
Height? 5.11
Weight? 15.6 stone
BF% Sorry not sure what this means
PCT Knowledge? Sorry not sure what this means

[burnin69]

BF% = body fat percentage
PCT = post cycle therapy

[G4R]

What are your stats?
Height? 5.11
Weight? 15.6 stone
BF% Sorry not sure what this means
PCT Knowledge? Sorry not sure what this means

BF% = Body Fat %

PCT = Post Cycle Therapy (what you take so that the gear you are using doesn't mess you up when you are off of it, VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT BEFORE TAKING STEROIDS.)

[burnin69]

And I believe what your taking is Dbol if im correct??..??.. Your not gonna get any good feedback on on taking a Dbol only cycle.

[normski]

BF% = body fat percentage
PCT = post cycle therapy

Body fat: if I am honest God knows, but, it's not too bad, I have always had reasonable Muscle size all over, but as a guess, If lost about 7 to 10lb of fat I would look quite ripped.

Sorry again, being stupid, but not sure what you mean on post cycle therapy!

[burnin69]

have you ever heard of Clomid, nolvadex, HCG, Arimadex, etc....

[normski]

BF% = Body Fat %

PCT = Post Cycle Therapy (what you take so that the gear you are using doesn't mess you up when you are off of it, VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT BEFORE TAKING STEROIDS.)

Wow!Umm nothing at the moment, only been taking them for 1 day! what do you recon. Regards the pills see link

Metandrostenolon - Akrihin - Metandroste... So I have read it's Anabol 5mg tabs

[normski]

have you ever heard of Clomid, nolvadex, HCG, Arimadex, etc....

No! tell me more

[normski]

And I believe what your taking is Dbol if im correct??..??.. Your not gonna get any good feedback on on taking a Dbol only cycle.

Could explain more please!

[burnin69]

ok if you dont have in your possesion some sort of anti-estrogen then quit your cycle now before you do some damage to your self.

[burnin69]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

[burnin69]

quit now, read now, try steroids later!!!

[G4R]

Also, take a look at your bottle or package that your stuff is in..... does it say "Metandrostenolon" letter for letter on it?

[burnin69]

he prob has some pro-hormones atleast he wouldnt have to worry bout the PCT.

[normski]

Ummm! I think, I will hold off for the Moment, as I have only had 5 of these things, But reading some of the stuff about it on the site, I could not see, anything about needing taking stuff to counter effects, for 20mg per day over say 4 or 4 week rotation. But just tomplay safe, your right I will check and look into this a bit more!

[stallion_1]

Dude this is what's going to happen with your only d-bol cycle.
You're going to get a lot strenght and gain weight, but as soon as u stop taking it, u'r going to lose all ur strenght and weight because d-bol only bloats u. U need to add testosterone to keep the gains. This is the reason for why aas are illegal, because people take them without any proper knowledge. Pops u ain't ready for aas, stick to ur viagra. Lol

[G4R]

Ummm! I think, I will hold off for the Moment, as I have only had 5 of these things, But reading some of the stuff about it on the site, I could not see, anything about needing taking stuff to counter effects, for 20mg per day over say 4 or 4 week rotation. But just tomplay safe, your right I will check and look into this a bit more!

Smart move. Also, like I said, if it says "Metandrostenolon", then odds are its bunk. The chemical name it should say there is "METHANDROSTENOLONE". But its possible you just left out the H on accident. In any case, just drop it all together for now until you have read up on all of it, and become familiar with a good PCT.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

[normski]

Smart move. Also, like I said, if it says "Metandrostenolon", then odds are its bunk. The chemical name it should say there is "METHANDROSTENOLONE". But its possible you just left out the H on accident. In any case, just drop it all together for now until you have read up on all of it, and become familiar with a good PCT.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

I have checked on the site, as I live in Bulgaria, the spelling is different, but but looking at a site for fake stuff it's not fake, well am as sure as I can be anyway>

The thing that get me looking at some of links set above, in replies, is it does not mention needing all this other stuff, when taking 20mgs a day, for about 4 week or so. Not say your wrong. But why don't the write ups mention this addon are needed ????????


In this study, done in the early 80´s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it´s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it´s original value, and FSH went down about a third also (these are all approximate numbers, for the sake of brevity, but you get the idea). Body fat did not go up significantly and Fat Free Mass went up anywhere between 2-7kgs (3.3kgs average gain). The researchers concluded that Dbol increases Fat Free Mass as well as increasing strength and performance. I can only agree, having found this to be the case for me when I did my first cycle (which was 6 weeks of dbol alone at 25mgs/day), I gained roughly 25lbs and kept nearly ½ of it. Since then, Dbol has always had a special place in my heart.

Dianabol Side Effects
As with many other 17aa steroids, Dianabol is also a very weak binder to the Androgen Receptor, so most of it´s effects are thought to be non-receptor mediated, and are attributable to other mechanisms (i.e. protein synthesis as indicated by the production of muscle tissue with very high levels of nitrogen, etc... which was indicated in the 100mg/day study). This also means it only has a modest aromatase activity (2).

How strong is Dbol? Well...on a mg for mg basis, most people agree that it´s stronger than A50...but the reason most people don´t get the same gains off of Dbol is that almost nobody takes equivalent doses (I mean...I´ve heard of people taking 150mgs of A50, but not Dbol, even though the dbol would probably provide more solid gains and be less toxic, I suspect).

So how do we incorporate this stuff into our AAS regimen? Clearly, the inclusion of Dbol at any point in a cycle would contribute to gains, however, I´d speculate that Dbol is most regularly used for 2 reasons:

At the start of a cycle to "Kick Start" gains
As a "Bridge" between cycles, to maintain gains


Reading the above! where does it say, on such a small dose does it say you need all this other stuff, I can see, it's a plus or of benefit, but it does not indicate your going mess yourself up without it.


http://www.fakesteroids.republika.pl...rostenolon.htm

See link, the stuff I have is on the left side which the gen stuff!

[G4R]

I understand that it does not mention taking any PCT for a "lower" dosage, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't. Look, an effective daily dose for athletes is around 15-40 mg/day. The dosage of Dbol taken by an athlete should always be coordinated with his individual goals. Steroid newbs do not need more than 15-20 mg of Dbol per day since this dose is sufficient to achieve exceptional results over a period of 8-10 weeks.

Since Dbol is I 7-alpha alkylated it causes a considerable strain on the liver. Even a dosage of only 10 mg/day can increase the liver values.

Nolvadex and Proviron (PCT) is necessary since Dbol strongly converts into estrogens and in some athletes causes gyno ("bitch tits") or worsens an already existing condition. Because of the strongly androgenic component and the conversion into dihydrotestosterone, Dbol, in some athletes, can trigger a serious acne on the face, neck, chest, back, and shoulders since the sebaceous gland function is stimulated. Dbol can also accelerate a possible hair loss which again can be explained by the high conversion of the substance into dihydrotestosterone.

All of this and more are reasons for PCT. All of these sides are possible even at you dosage of 20mg. Play it safe, you need PCT!

[BUYLONGTERM]

Dude this is what's going to happen with your only d-bol cycle.
You're going to get a lot strenght and gain weight, but as soon as u stop taking it, u'r going to lose all ur strenght and weight because d-bol only bloats u. U need to add testosterone to keep the gains. This is the reason for why aas are illegal, because people take them without any proper knowledge. Pops u ain't ready for aas, stick to ur viagra. Lol

The point of this board is to help guys out. He's on here asking for advise and does NOT NEED TO HEAR YOUR SMART ASS COMMENTS.

[BUYLONGTERM]

I understand that it does not mention taking any PCT for a "lower" dosage, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't. Look, an effective daily dose for athletes is around 15-40 mg/day. The dosage of Dbol taken by an athlete should always be coordinated with his individual goals. Steroid newbs do not need more than 15-20 mg of Dbol per day since this dose is sufficient to achieve exceptional results over a period of 8-10 weeks.

Since Dbol is I 7-alpha alkylated it causes a considerable strain on the liver. Even a dosage of only 10 mg/day can increase the liver values.

Nolvadex and Proviron (PCT) is necessary since Dbol strongly converts into estrogens and in some athletes causes gyno ("bitch tits") or worsens an already existing condition. Because of the strongly androgenic component and the conversion into dihydrotestosterone, Dbol, in some athletes, can trigger a serious acne on the face, neck, chest, back, and shoulders since the sebaceous gland function is stimulated. Dbol can also accelerate a possible hair loss which again can be explained by the high conversion of the substance into dihydrotestosterone.

All of this and more are reasons for PCT. All of these sides are possible even at you dosage of 20mg. Play it safe, you need PCT!

Good post!

[normski]

Good post!

Of course your right! That such things/ drugs have a result, that result being an effect or reaction to something, Physics says to any effect there has to be some form of reaction. I.e. you never get something for nothing! Fact! Of course when referring to Steroids again, there are potential reactions to them. By taking other substances Deca for example this has a significant effect in offsetting derogatory or unwanted side effects Hormonally.

And yes, by taking this added extra you are reducing the potential losses after completion of a cycle. Nevertheless, these aspects only assist in adding the prevention of the possible destructive side effects, they do not guarantee immunity from any and all of them. Someone on here said the obvious, we are all different, as a result, we all need our own specific approach to it. To a point, this becomes arbitrary, as unless, one submits themselves to a laboratory to undergo a very exhaustive, battery of tests or measurements, over a long period of time, And costing tens of thousands of pounds you can never know exactly what your personal requirement would be. So, to a point, it’s kind of guess work, trial and error.

I don’t understand, unless I am missing something here, why so many seem to be making a mountain out of a mole hill, ie trying to frighten people to death, your heads going to drop off or something, or you will permanently cause untold damage. Ok, considering the above, it now appears, to me anyway, that taking around 20 25mg per day of dBol with some good protein sup, and working out hard 3 or 4 times a week, Also say taking Carsil 100mg per day, along with the correct amount Deca intake over a 4 or 5 week period (cycle) should eliminate almost all possibilities of side effects and or losses ( as humanly possible).

Again, unless we need to take something counter the effects of deca, then we end up with this never ending cycle of the domino effect, you would end up taking about 180000 pills per day, and die within a week. Which we all know is crazy!

[G4R]

Ok, look..... a PCT is in place to combat possible side affects. There is no guarantee that you will get any of them, but it is better to play it safe. A lot of us here have been doing this for years, or have been studying it for years, we wouldn't be telling you to do it if we weren't concerned about your health. The point is, if you don't want to use a PCT, then don't, I can't make you nor can anyone else. You can justify no PCT if you want to.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

[normski]

Ok, look..... a PCT is in place to combat possible side affects. There is no guarantee that you will get any of them, but it is better to play it safe. A lot of us here have been doing this for years, or have been studying it for years, we wouldn't be telling you to do it if we weren't concerned about your health. The point is, if you don't want to use a PCT, then don't, I can't make you nor can anyone else. You can justify no PCT if you want to.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

Thanks for info. Yes your right again. As some others have said, If you take Deca or other stuff to offset poss side effects then you have coverd your bases, as much as possable. What I don't understand, is why, some say we all need almost a BSc degree in chemistry before taking anything. That was mainly my point!

Point. as I don't like neddles to much, is there any pill versions out there or is the neddle the only option?

But thanks anyway.

[normski]

Found a local trainer who has lots of experience of this whole area, so I am going to follow his plan!

This inc the use of Deca at the amounts he suggests!

[G4R]

Found a local trainer who has lots of experience of this whole area, so I am going to follow his plan!

This inc the use of Deca at the amounts he suggests!

Dbol and Deca only cycle?

[normski]

Dbol and Deca only cycle?

thats the way to go! Now starts the work, see me in 2 months, Grrrrrrrr!