Tren E & Test E cycle....advise plz

**cozzer** · 07-22-2008, 07:42 AM

Hi, im 30, 210 lb, 6'2'', 13% bf, 4 years training.

The problem i have got is started a new job and cant bulk as i would like.

Was thinking of using tren e at 200ml and test e at 250ml p/w

Tren e for 1-8 weeks
test e for 1-12 weeks.

pct covered and ok.

in your opinion are these doses high enough, really just looking for a bit of gain with leaness.

Have used tren e in the past luckily no real bad sides apart from the sorta anxious feeling through the day and the night sweats.

Any comments appreciated....thanks.

**drive it!!** · 07-22-2008, 08:03 AM

do some research but you may want to consider upping the tren to 3-400mg awk and just lowering the test to a level that would off set the tren supprression the test is what is going to bulk you the tren will also but not as drastically as the test and the water it will make your muscle hold , but bottom line is its hard to use good gear like you've got and not bulk thats what it's for. and there really isnt an in between

**Bulldog1115** · 07-22-2008, 08:09 AM

yah if i were u id go 400mg/w of test and 300mg/w of tren 400 mg/w of tren is alot

**cozzer** · 07-22-2008, 08:25 AM

Thanx guys, but do you think this cycle would be a waste of time/juice.

I obviousily added test to help with tren shut down but i cant really up the tren cause of the new job, i got to be on form and feeling good daily im in direct sales you see and i know if i go 300ml + tren it will be tough for me to stay constantly possitive at work and got to be.

please advise, reason i am talking this cycle cause i got juice to cover exactly.

was possibly thinkin of adding winny at 20mg daily from week 8 to 12 same again got already at that amount.

thanx

**Bulldog1115** · 07-22-2008, 08:29 AM

if u cant bump winni to 50mg/d then dont even put it in... now, i wood go 300mg/w tren and 400mg/w test with an ai for test and letro and nolva for pct

**cozzer** · 07-22-2008, 08:47 AM

hi, thanx bulldog, why at those doses, do you think i am thinkin to low, i know where you coming from with the winny can easily get more have used it at 40mg daily with good results in the past was sorta thinkin half that experience would be ok?
thanks

**Bulldog1115** · 07-22-2008, 08:55 AM

i woodnt, just liver toxic for subpar results? not worth it ....but i think 400-500mg/w of tren is way too much ...tren is toxic..just go test 400mg/w and tren at 300mg/w thats perfect with a good diet and alot cardio...pct do letro and nolva