Tren/Nandrolone cycles... any benefits to prolactin?

[Chubbosaurus]

I'm just curious if there's any benefit to prolactin and if there's any reason one shouldn't run bromo/cabergoline/vitamin B6 the entire time they're running tren/nandrolone.

I ask because I know estrogen has beneficial properties and was wondering if the same can be said about prolactin.

Thanks.

[Bulldog1115]

im curious to this as well

[Atomini]

As far as I know, men should have as little prolactin in their bodies as possible. It's a hormone that's primarily associated with lactation - something we males do not do. We just should not have it inside us.

[smokeyd]

prolactin is bad bad bad, dont ever want to deal with that shit again, no sex drive for months kinda hesatant about running tren if the prolactin sides are anything like decca

[Atomini]

prolactin is bad bad bad, dont ever want to deal with that shit again, no sex drive for months kinda hesatant about running tren if the prolactin sides are anything like decca

Use caber while on cycle. That's what i'm going to do when I run my upcoming tren cycle.

Prolactin is something men should not have in their bodies at all.

[Chubbosaurus]

It makes me wonder then why some people have the stuff "on hand" and don't use it from the beginning. The only thing I can think of is to save money.

[redz]

I plan on using caber 2-3 times per week the whole cycle in the fall while on tren e.

[smokeyd]

o yeah i will def have caber or i wont run tren, and still prob wont ever run decca again. ever lol

[Kratos]

It's good if you want to make sure you never run out of milk for your coffee.

[Dog-Slime]

prolactin is bad bad bad, dont ever want to deal with that shit again, no sex drive for months kinda hesatant about running tren if the prolactin sides are anything like decca

I think tren is 3x as strong as deca as far as progesterone sides go.

[Branch_w]

ive read somewhere that men with high prolactin levels are more at risk of having ED in general. That not a benefit for sure, but i havent read any to be honest unless you want to breastfeed your baby which is possible for a man believe it or not lol

[DS21]

If you were going to run tren would you run letro and caber? Sorry about hijacking your thread, just thought it could help us both.

[Atomini]

I plan on using caber 2-3 times per week the whole cycle in the fall while on tren e.

2-3 times PER WEEK? There's no need to run Caber that much. Split up a 1mg tab and pop each half tab evenly throughout the week. Caber should be run at 1mg per week, and it stays in your system for a long time.

[Branch_w]

^^ agreed ...u dont want to run caber at a too high of a dose...it can be very harsh on the body in terms of sides itself.

[Drummerboy]

use something if you need it. Ive run them together no problem, no help.

[akaz13]

I plan on using caber 2-3 times per week the whole cycle in the fall while on tren e.

damn bro!

I just ran a search for tren - caber, and look who popped up..

anyway, I see that you followed through on running tren in the fall...

[Mulciber]

Lyle did a fairly good summary of much of the data on prolactin and T levels (in a Bromo followup article at qfac). The conclusion was that basically prolactin levels are best left in the middle/lower-middle of the normal physiologic range, in terms of T production. We know that prolactin is an important factor in maintaining LH-receptors, and such is one of the reasons why hypoprolactinemia does not correlate with healthy T production/levels.

Thus, using bromo or other dopamine agonist/drugs to increase libido and decrease refractory periods could potentially impair T production (and therefore reduce libido -- be counterproductive).


just a few things ive came across while doing a little reading concerning prolactin..

Several studies have shown that elevated prolactin is the most consistent neuroendocrine marker of orgasm in men. Since men suffering from hyperprolactinemia generally have depressed libidos, it's been postulated that the prolactin released during orgasm in men is responsible for the "refractory period" during which another orgasm is difficult or impossible to achieve.

In support of this theory the abstract below summarizes a case study that showed a lack of prolactin release in a multi-orgasmic male.

Many people claim that bromocriptine and other dopaminergic agonists which lower prolactin increase their libido. I wonder if bromocriptine blocks the orgasm induced prolactin release as well as lowering basal prolactin levels, allowing a man to achieve multiple orgasms.
Int J Impot Res. 2002 Apr;14(2):133-5.

Absence of orgasm-induced prolactin secretion in a healthy multi-orgasmic male subject.

Haake P, Exton MS, Haverkamp J, Kramer M, Leygraf N, Hartmann U, Schedlowski M, Krueger TH.

Department of Medical Psychology, University Clinic of Essen, Germany.

In several studies we have recently demonstrated that orgasm induces prolactin secretion in healthy males and females. This suggests that prolactin may form a feedback regulator of the refractory period following orgasm. To examine this position we investigated the prolactin response of a healthy multi-orgasmic male subject. Blood was drawn continuously during masturbation-induced orgasm. The prolactin response of the case-subject was compared with that of nine healthy adult men with a normal refractory period. The case-subject showed no prolactin response to three orgasms. Data from this multi-orgasmic subject support the hypothesized role of plasma prolactin in contributing to sexual-satiation mechanisms.

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In women, both oxytocin and prolactin are elevated post-orgasm, while in men, as noted above, only prolactin is consistently associated with orgasm. It's been postulated that the elevated post-coital oxytocin in women may offset the elevated prolactin, leading to a shorter refractory period.

[Mulciber]

In the study below there was no change in prolactin in sheeps "using" tren. If it can be extrapolated that the same happens in humans I don't know.

now estrogen will raise prolactin levels.. but thats not what were talking here..

Growth hormone, insulin, prolactin and total thyroxine in the plasma of sheep implanted with the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate alone or with oestradiol.

Donaldson IA, Hart IC, Heitzman RJ.

The mode of action of the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate (19-norandrost-4,9,11-trien-3-one-17-acetate) was studied through the endogenous hormonal response of castrated male sheep to subcutaneous implantation of 140 mg of trenbolone acetate and 20 mg of oestradiol both separately and in combination. Radioimmunoassay of delta-4,9,11-trienic steroids and oestradiol-17 beta in plasma confirmed that simultaneous administration of trenbolone acetate with oestradiol led to a significantly greater persistence of oestradiol-17 beta residues in plasma (P less than 0.05) than with implantation of oestradiol alone. Oestradiol treatment increased concentrations of growth hormone and insulin (P less than 0.05; P less than 0.001 respectively) in plasma samples collected weekly. Trenbolone acetate by itself had no significant effect and the oestrogenic response was blocked on the simultaneous implantation of trenbolone acetate and oestradiol (despite higher plasma levels of oestradiol-17 beta with this treatment). Plasma total thyroxine was markedly depressed to 45 per cent of its basal level by trenbolone acetate, alone or with oestradiol (P less than 0.001) and depressed to 80 per cent of basal by oestradiol treatment alone (P less than 0.001). Plasma prolactin was unaltered by the above treatments.

[tRaNs]

In the study below there was no change in prolactin in sheeps "using" tren. If it can be extrapolated that the same happens in humans I don't know.

now estrogen will raise prolactin levels.. but thats not what were talking here..

Growth hormone, insulin, prolactin and total thyroxine in the plasma of sheep implanted with the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate alone or with oestradiol.

Donaldson IA, Hart IC, Heitzman RJ.

The mode of action of the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate (19-norandrost-4,9,11-trien-3-one-17-acetate) was studied through the endogenous hormonal response of castrated male sheep to subcutaneous implantation of 140 mg of trenbolone acetate and 20 mg of oestradiol both separately and in combination. Radioimmunoassay of delta-4,9,11-trienic steroids and oestradiol-17 beta in plasma confirmed that simultaneous administration of trenbolone acetate with oestradiol led to a significantly greater persistence of oestradiol-17 beta residues in plasma (P less than 0.05) than with implantation of oestradiol alone. Oestradiol treatment increased concentrations of growth hormone and insulin (P less than 0.05; P less than 0.001 respectively) in plasma samples collected weekly. Trenbolone acetate by itself had no significant effect and the oestrogenic response was blocked on the simultaneous implantation of trenbolone acetate and oestradiol (despite higher plasma levels of oestradiol-17 beta with this treatment). Plasma total thyroxine was markedly depressed to 45 per cent of its basal level by trenbolone acetate, alone or with oestradiol (P less than 0.001) and depressed to 80 per cent of basal by oestradiol treatment alone (P less than 0.001). Plasma prolactin was unaltered by the above treatments.

levels of prolactin was unaltered? trenbolone doesn't modify the prolactin levels? only modify the t3's levels? mmm, why we need cabergoline so? sorry for my english

[Dukkit]

2-3 times PER WEEK? There's no need to run Caber that much. Split up a 1mg tab and pop each half tab evenly throughout the week. Caber should be run at 1mg per week, and it stays in your system for a long time.

^^ agreed ...u dont want to run caber at a too high of a dose...it can be very harsh on the body in terms of sides itself.

levels of prolactin was unaltered? trenbolone doesn't modify the prolactin levels? only modify the t3's levels? mmm, why we need cabergoline so? sorry for my english

all you fellas should read this.....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=caber+thread

[Dukkit]

2-3 times PER WEEK? There's no need to run Caber that much. Split up a 1mg tab and pop each half tab evenly throughout the week. Caber should be run at 1mg per week, and it stays in your system for a long time.

there is no need. but you can

you can run. .25mg a day. it works well and wont give any problems or sides.

[redz]

I have been taking it twice per week and had no problems so far, loving the tren for sure!

[mx3]

I normally hold off on caber till I need just cause the sides are so bad.

[Dukkit]

I normally hold off on caber till I need just cause the sides are so bad.

what sides are you talking about??

ive done doses of up to 3mg a week....

not one single side... other then getting rid of my lactating nipples and makin me horny as hell?

everyone talks about sides but of me and everyone i know who has used caber, never heard of anysides (bad sides)

see my above post with the link in it....

[Dukkit]

oh and i run caber all during cycle.... and into and during my whole PCT

no problems

[mx3]

what sides are you talking about??

ive done doses of up to 2mg a week....

not one single side... other then getting rid of my lactating nipples and makin me horny as hell?

everyone talks about sides but of me and everyone i know who has used caber, never heard of anysides (bad sides)

see my above post with the link in it....

I run .25-.5mg 2x wk. It makes me feel like total shit. I get headaches when there are bright lights around and my vision gets blurred.(i get blurred vision from albuterol too for some reason.) I also can get extremely lazy while on caber. I would just take bromo but bromo is way more expensive cause you have to use so much more for the same results.

[Dukkit]

I run .25-.5mg 2x wk. It makes me feel like total shit. I get headaches when there are bright lights around and my vision gets blurred.(i get blurred vision from albuterol too for some reason.) I also can get extremely lazy while on caber. I would just take bromo but bromo is way more expensive cause you have to use so much more for the same results.

that sucks bro. but that sounds like something do to with you and your reaction to certain things. like i said, of everytime ive used it (lots) and everyone i know who uses it (lots) no bad sides. so your the 1% out of the 99% of ppl who dont have problems. which is not cool for you.

[mx3]

levels of prolactin was unaltered? trenbolone doesn't modify the prolactin levels? only modify the t3's levels? mmm, why we need cabergoline so? sorry for my english

progesterone levels are increased on tren which in turn increases prolactin. deca=20% increase tren=60% increase.

[mx3]

that sucks bro. but that sounds like something do to with you and your reaction to certain things. like i said, of everytime ive used it (lots) and everyone i know who uses it (lots) no bad sides. so your the 1% out of the 99% of ppl who dont have problems. which is not cool for you.

yeah it sucks but i only have to use when I run high doses of nors (1200mg+ew) or nandrolone and tren together which I now love to do so yeah it sucks.

[Dukkit]

yeah it sucks but i only have to use when I run high doses of nors (1200mg+ew) or nandrolone and tren together which I now love to do so yeah it sucks.

whew. 1200mg a week of any 19-nor, id be wanted for murder!!! lol.

so you like to run nandrolone and tren.?? ive been contemplating that for a sometime in the distant future

[Flex-Appeal]

I ran tren and deca this cycle and caber did it for me. It makes the world of difference. You want to avoid prolactin/progesterone! Don't need it or want it. So I take caber/letro when I run both of these

[mx3]

whew. 1200mg a week of any 19-nor, id be wanted for murder!!! lol.

so you like to run nandrolone and tren.?? ive been contemplating that for a sometime in the distant future

yeah I was against it for a while because it seems like they would be competing for the same receptors but I decided to try it as an experiment and I can tell you I have never got so strong and added so much mass before ever. It was better than the first cycle i ever ran and i thought that would be impossible. Another reason people dont like both is cause they think the pgr increase would be unmanageable but the increase isn't cumulative like most people think. a while ago tai showed me some studies on all this, that information actually is the reason why I tried it.

[Dukkit]

yeah I was against it for a while because it seems like they would be competing for the same receptors but I decided to try it as an experiment and I can tell you I have never got so strong and added so much mass before ever. It was better than the first cycle i ever ran and i thought that would be impossible. Another reason people dont like both is cause they think the pgr increase would be unmanageable but the increase isn't cumulative like most people think. a while ago tai showed me some studies on all this, that information actually is the reason why I tried it.

well with that said... i will have to start plannin a cycle...

thanks. im excited now!

[Flex-Appeal]

I have run my last 2 cycles with tren and deca. I get serious lean mass gains from them. People don't recommend it but I believe there is synergy with the two.

[Dukkit]

I have run my last 2 cycles with tren and deca. I get serious lean mass gains from them. People don't recommend it but I believe there is synergy with the two.

hmmm, deca, tren, test and mast... next cycle for dukki...

[Flex-Appeal]

You remember what I told you I ran? Haha
Deca test tren mast winny dbol
Next time fuk the dbol

[mx3]

hmmm, deca, tren, test and mast... next cycle for dukki...

my next ones gonna be tpp,npp,tren,winni for a bulker I can't wait.

[mx3]

You remember what I told you I ran? Haha
Deca test tren mast winny dbol
Next time fuk the dbol

I agree I hate dbol it kills my appetite.

[Dukkit]

You remember what I told you I ran? Haha
Deca test tren mast winny dbol
Next time fuk the dbol

oh yea! i see so many ppls cycles everyday... i get mixed up

sweet. im really looking forward to this now.

a few more months natty and its on for summer boys!!!