I dont understand why my Test is wearing off all the time

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-25-2008, 04:18 PM

I got some Test E from a trusted source of one brand & two vials, it hits me good after 3 weeks, gain 15 lbs in 4 and a half weeks. Then wears off. I am on my second vial by then and figure the second is a fake. So I start over and use a different brand, a really QUALITY(*wink*) Mexican Veternarian brand. It hits me after 2 weeks because I front loaded and i gain another 2-3 lbs and im back in the ball game, but by the 5th week its worn off too.

Everything changes a few weeks in, libido dies, acne wears off and voice isnt as deep along with energy loss.

I honestly dont understand this and its devestating me. I thought maybe second time around it was because of the 100 degree weather i was storing it in but ive been told heat doesnt affect my test E

I would be DEEPLY indebted to anyone who can get to the bottom of this. I dont understand this at all. I have researched this so thoroughly that I know more about steroids than I do about what im studying at university.

cliffs
Steroids work for like 2 weeks and then die. TWICE

**scibble** · 07-25-2008, 04:31 PM

curious whether you take any anti-estrogen stuff with it ?

also: (old reasearch paper) http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/cgi/...ract/162/3/581

**testy1975** · 07-25-2008, 04:31 PM

whats your calorie intake. whats your height,weight, age bf.

PT · 07-25-2008, 04:39 PM

how do you know the test is wearing off? do you have blood tests? hopefully your not stating that its wearing off because the weight isnt coming on as fast as the water weight did the 1st few weeks

**scibble** · 07-25-2008, 04:43 PM

hmmmm....where's the OP? seems he's bugger'd off....

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**JiGGaMaN** · 07-25-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by PT

how do you know the test is wearing off? do you have blood tests? hopefully your not stating that its wearing off because the weight isnt coming on as fast as the water weight did the 1st few weeks

My thoughts exactly. Plus QV got busted in 05 so id bet your gear is expired anyhow...

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-25-2008, 05:34 PM

its not the weight, its all the side effects too. The weight is dropping and as soon as i start a new vial it seems to come back

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-25-2008, 06:34 PM

bump

**AnimalGear** · 07-25-2008, 06:39 PM

it could be placebo affect if the gains correlate directly with starting a new vial

post your exact diet with macros etc

one love

ag

**AnimalGear** · 07-25-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by scibble

curious whether you take any anti-estrogen stuff with it ?

also: (old reasearch paper) http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/cgi/...ract/162/3/581

Answer this question

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-25-2008, 07:19 PM

no im not, but if estro levels are high shouldnt i get estro side effects like acne?

**inky-e** · 07-25-2008, 08:29 PM

How many cycles have you done? Did you pct and take time off?

**scibble** · 07-25-2008, 08:34 PM

<< no im not, but if estro levels are high shouldnt i get estro side effects like acne? >>

side effects are not a given.

everyone reacts differently to medications.

some people fall asleep when they take Tylenol.

the human body does not react in predictable ways that you can just read out of a book. there's a little "black magic" involved, so to speak.

aromatization of testosterone means that as testosterone builds up in your blood, estrogen also increases and counters some of the effects.

From an article:

Another concern that skeptical physicians have about prescribing testosterone replacement therapy is that some poorly conducted studies showed it to be ineffective in the long-term treatment of aging. These studies indicate anti-aging benefits when testosterone is given, but the effects often wear off. What physicians fail to appreciate is that exogenously administered testosterone can convert to estrogen in the body. The higher estrogen levels may negate the benefits of the exogenously administered testosterone. The solution to the estrogen-overload problem is to block the conversion of testosterone to estrogen in the body.

If you'd like the link to the site from whence this info is excerpted, email me.

i'm not going to pretend to be very experienced personally with steroids , but it may be worth taking arimidex or some such agent and see if that helps.

this is known as "empiric" evidence or a "therapeutic trial" and will tell you more about your body and its reactions than any "expert" or book or internet article can.

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-26-2008, 12:18 PM

so if i take an AI all i will feel like im on the juice again in like a day or two?

**Drummerboy** · 07-26-2008, 12:28 PM

you could try .25mg ED of arimidex . Thats a good AI to take while on cycle.

**warchild** · 07-26-2008, 12:33 PM

how often r u injecting?

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-26-2008, 12:44 PM

250 mg 2x a week. But by bacne is clearing up. Wouldnt it increase with Estrogen?

**warchild** · 07-26-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by GettinBigAintEZ

250 mg 2x a week. But by bacne is clearing up. Wouldnt it increase with Estrogen?

it could or your body could be getting used to it, i use to break out bad....real bad. My last cycle very little and then it went away half way through the cycle.

PT · 07-26-2008, 12:55 PM

your gear is probably expired and your only getting a percentage of the marked dose per ml

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-26-2008, 01:05 PM

it says it doesnt expire till 2011

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-26-2008, 05:00 PM

bump!

Should i start another vial of a different brand?

**wilson9d** · 07-26-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

My thoughts exactly. Plus QV got busted in 05 so id bet your gear is expired anyhow...

chinese ugl bought the rights shortly after the bust. so that mexican stuff come from china.

**wilson9d** · 07-26-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by GettinBigAintEZ

250 mg 2x a week. But by bacne is clearing up. Wouldnt it increase with Estrogen?

in some cases acne only lasts for a month or so then the body gets used to the new hormone levels.

it seems to me you may have problems following a consistent regimen. What does your diet and workout regimen look like, rest, ect…?

**GettinBigAintEZ** · 07-26-2008, 06:01 PM

its my EXTREMELY lowered libido that is bugging me. its gone. my diet and training regimen is perfect.

**wilson9d** · 07-26-2008, 06:15 PM

well if you in week 5 or 6 of a test cycle and your dick isnt hard 18hrs a day then thats a big warning sign.

**Nitz5785** · 07-26-2008, 10:16 PM

You mentioned that you front loaded. Do you do this with every new vial? Perhaps your gear is underdosed and the front load is giving you the higher hormone levels and then when you lower the dosage and the front load wears off, you aren't getting enough homone. Just a thought....