What to use with test E

[fattymcbutterpants]

Which would be better to stack with test e, tren enanthate or deca durabolin ?

[redz]

Depends on your cycle history and what you want to do. Both are great stacks but Tren is a very toxic steroid that comes with more potential side effects. Have you done tren before?

[fattymcbutterpants]

i havent done tren before but i have done deca . pretty good gains but deca dick sucked. I was looking at the sample cycles and i like the one where you takes test e at 500mg/wk for 12 weeks, deca for 10 weeks at 400mg/wk, and prop for the first 4 weeks at 50-75mg/day. It seemed like a pretty good stack so i might go with that

[facile]

Deca dick and Fina(tren ) dick are very common, that's why you need to include test with each

What are your stats?

[fattymcbutterpants]

i didnt take test when i took deca that time so i definately learned the hard way it sucked

[fattymcbutterpants]

o and im about 6'4/210/19yo
I did my first two cycles when i was 15 so sorta started a little early but owell

[stpete]

I think you're still too young bro. Sorry.

[facile]

ouch! started at 15 way to risky, wait a few years.

[MercyDog]

i havent done tren before but i have done deca. pretty good gains but deca dick sucked. I was looking at the sample cycles and i like the one where you takes test e at 500mg/wk for 12 weeks, deca for 10 weeks at 400mg/wk, and prop for the first 4 weeks at 50-75mg/day. It seemed like a pretty good stack so i might go with that

this cycle looks good. Deca can be adjusted down to 300 or test can be raise to 750. This will help your prick out. Prop can go to 100/d also.

[fattymcbutterpants]

wont the prop kick in pretty soon after i inject it unlike most types of test that take a few weeks? And also I have a ton of insulin at my house long story how i got it but i have several bottles of novolog and humalog should i maybe incorporate this into the cycle or just leave that out for another time

[mkrulic]

wont the prop kick in pretty soon after i inject it unlike most types of test that take a few weeks? And also I have a ton of insulin at my house long story how i got it but i have several bottles of novolog and humalog should i maybe incorporate this into the cycle or just leave that out for another time

what prop? I think you need to stay as far away from insulin as possible. lay out diet plan.

[fattymcbutterpants]

ok i was just wondering because i had aquired a large amount of it for free

[mkrulic]

lay out diet plan. total cals and %'tages

[fattymcbutterpants]

ok on the pct it says take 10-20mg/day of nolvadex during the entire cycle and for about4 weeks after the cycle. and also it says 2 weeks after the cycle to take clomid for 3 weeks. the first day at 300mg the next 10 at 100mg/day and the next ten and 50mg/day. I may be mistaken but arent they very similar? Wouldnt it be easier just to stick with one? Any advice is greatly appreciated

[Ashop]

Which would be better to stack with test e, tren enanthate or deca durabolin?

depending on goals. either will be great

[one8nine]

ok on the pct it says take 10-20mg/day of nolvadex during the entire cycle and for about4 weeks after the cycle. and also it says 2 weeks after the cycle to take clomid for 3 weeks. the first day at 300mg the next 10 at 100mg/day and the next ten and 50mg/day. I may be mistaken but arent they very similar? Wouldnt it be easier just to stick with one? Any advice is greatly appreciated

sweet jesus
no nolva on cycle

yes you are very correct. clomid sucks

if you do a cycle without tren or deca , use arimidex or aromasin
if you include a 19-nor like tren or deca use letro on cycle

as for pct, do you know when the esters clear?
nolvadex is great in pct, clomid sucks
a good nolva/proviron or nolva/aromasin combo will be a great pct. way better than nolva/clomid

[fattymcbutterpants]

Ok so i should have letro on hand in case of gyno but not take it unless i need it then take nolvadex and proviron or aromisin once the esters have cleared. Roughly how much should i take of the nolvadex and proviron or aromosin?

[one8nine]

ok so since im probably going to be using deca i should use letro? Is that only when i have things such as gyno appearing or should i use it the whole cycle and how much and what should i take after the actual cycle to help me keep as much as possible and get everything back to working normal?

i personally use letro .25mg ed of letro, all cycle. but i use short esters. if i was scared of needles and liked side effects and unstable blood levels from 2x a week long esters i would wait until about week 4 to add it in cause those craps take forever to kick in

cut your deca 1 week before test e, and 2 weeks after that start pct

for example
1-10: test e
1-9: deca
13-16: pct

pct i like personally is 4 weeks of nolvadex 20mg-40mg + proviron 50mg

[fattymcbutterpants]

ok thanks that helped clear things up so .25mg of letro ed after 4th week during the cycle and for pct 20-40mg/day of nolvadex and 50mg/day of proviron for 4 weeks starting 2 weeks after the cycle. got it. Thanks so much

[one8nine]

spot on. what exactly is your cycle?

[fattymcbutterpants]

Im planning on 750mg/wk of test e for 13 weeks and 10 weeks of deca durabolin at 400mg/wk and for the first 4 weeks i am going to take 75mg/day of prop

[one8nine]

Im planning on 750mg/wk of test e for 13 weeks and 10 weeks of deca durabolin at 400mg/wk and for the first 4 weeks i am going to take 75mg/day of prop

if you are using a kickstart start letro right away

[fattymcbutterpants]

alright so i'll just start it at the beginning and keep it going the whole cycle. and if i notice any gyno just bump up the dose a little?

[MercyDog]

I'm getting in trouble but that looks good. Now you got 14 weeks to figure out how to safely use insulin bettween your cycles. BETTER READ CLOSELY

[fattymcbutterpants]

I dont think i am going to be able to get the proviron what would be another good choice to put with the nolvadex for the PCT

[one8nine]

alright so i'll just start it at the beginning and keep it going the whole cycle. and if i notice any gyno just bump up the dose a little?

you wont get any gyno

[fattymcbutterpants]

o ok thats good to not have to worry about that then. And should i just use the nolvadex by itself for pct since i cant get the proviron ?

[one8nine]

o ok thats good to not have to worry about that then. And should i just use the nolvadex by itself for pct since i cant get the proviron?

if you cant get proviron you can use aromasin instead

[fattymcbutterpants]

at 25mg/day? I saw that was a recommended amount on its profile