The Perfect Cycle

[bjw02c1]

This will be my second cycle and I'm thinking about adding HGH this go round so please comment at will and post your advice.

Current Build: 6'1" - 170 lbs., 9% bodyfat, age - late 20's.

First Cycle (about 3 years ago): (12 weeks total, last 2 were clomid)
5 weeks Deca, 5 weeks Primobolan - dosages were moderate and gained and kept 12-15 lbs. in total.

Obviously, w/ HGH there is a 6 month minimum, roughly 5 iu's day (5 days on, 2 off). Either sticking with the Primobolan or equipose, maybe stacking the same Deca in the beginning.

The Goal: Money is not an issue, just want to purchase the highest quality products from reputable vendors and keep as much of what is gained as possible - therefore, to hopefully reach 205lbs. and be able to keep/stay at 200 lbs. at the end of 6 months.

Guess the real question is - if you were only able to do 1 cycle in your lifetime for 6 months, what would it be?

PLEASE DON'T ASK ABOUT SOURCES.

[inky-e]

first post and are you on a fishing expedition?

[DSM4Life]

[Big]

At 6'1" and 170lbs you need food, not steroids.

[Big]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=344896

[one8nine]

hgh will be a massive waste of money imo especially at that dose
i think hgh is for old guys personally your goals can be reached for much cheaper without it

[MercyDog]

First Cycle (about 3 years ago): (12 weeks total, last 2 were clomid)
5 weeks Deca, 5 weeks Primobolan - dosages were moderate and gained and kept 12-15 lbs. in total.




thats a horrible cycle. keeping 15lbs. must have meant you was eating good and had no platue in site when you started. If your wanting to throw money away I could use some. If your wanting to grow, try TESTOSTERONE

[daem]

hgh will be a massive waste of money imo especially at that dose
i think hgh is for old guys personally your goals can be reached for much cheaper without it

25iu/wk of HGH a ran in conjunction with a good stack of test + some other compounds a waste? What experience do you have with it?

I've ran 30iu/wk + 750mg/wk of test + 100mg/ed of Winstrol and it was the best cycle I've ever ran, bar none.

I agree that he could probably drop the HGH and achieve similar results, but the man mentioned money wasn't an issue and he was looking for keepable gains.

FWIW, HGH has its place among all age groups and isn't just an "old guys" compound.

[Big]

some good points made above, but if the guy is 6'1" and 170lbs in his 20's, and his goal is to be 205lbs, considering money is no object, he should easily be able to do that naturally. proper diet is by far the most important aspect of what we do, if he woke tomorrow with another 35lbs of muscle and follows his same diet he would be back to his present size in a few months at most. fix the diet first, work toward natural potential, then cycle, in my opinion.

[daem]

some good points made above, but if the guy is 6'1" and 170lbs in his 20's, and his goal is to be 205lbs, considering money is no object, he should easily be able to do that naturally. proper diet is by far the most important aspect of what we do, if he woke tomorrow with another 35lbs of muscle and follows his same diet he would be back to his present size in a few months at most. fix the diet first, work toward natural potential, then cycle, in my opinion.

No doubt his diet is far more important than the compounds he runs.

I figured I'd take the road less traveled on this one and try to answer his question so he can go away and solicit more sources on the open board, lol.

[Big]

No doubt his diet is far more important than the compounds he runs.

I figured I'd take the road less traveled on this one and try to answer his question so he can go away and solicit more sources on the open board, lol.

good point lol
that's ok, I have a bunch of bold red letters I haven't used yet

[Bulldog1115]

i love how so many newbies have such unrealistic goals...do u know how hard it is to gain 35 lbs dude?

[one8nine]

25iu/wk of HGH a ran in conjunction with a good stack of test + some other compounds a waste? What experience do you have with it?

I've ran 30iu/wk + 750mg/wk of test + 100mg/ed of Winstrol and it was the best cycle I've ever ran, bar none.

I agree that he could probably drop the HGH and achieve similar results, but the man mentioned money wasn't an issue and he was looking for keepable gains.

FWIW, HGH has its place among all age groups and isn't just an "old guys" compound.

i guess you could be right im just basing that statement on reading no real personal experience

[MR_T]

bro at your height you should wait till you hit 200lbs before messin with gear, what was your size before first cycle, how long did you lift before turning to gear... if I read right 155@6'1?

[daem]

i guess you could be right im just basing that statement on reading no real personal experience

Fair enough bro, it wasn't my intention to be inflammatory. I just wanted to ask if you had any personal experience that contradicted using HGH.

I find that on this board that alot of eager bros reiterate advice they've heard while others use anecdotes...I prefer to speak from experience because it's the ONLY data point I'm comfortable sharing. I reference articles sometimes, but my cycle experience is a good data set across a wide variety of compounds and dosages.

I've had some really great experiences with HGH ran alongside some simple stacks and don't cycle without it nowadays.

Now, I would agree wholeheartedly that if the guy wasn't stacking test with it that it would be a huge waste of time and money...Absolutely no way could he gain 30+ and keep it unless he was taking insulin and shoving food down his face.

[thecivilizedanimal]

mid to late 20's ( as i am )

money not an issue ( same )

but....

i considered hgh for pct and possibly bridging, but thats about it .

if moneys no issue get your diet in check .


you're 6'1 and 170lbs ?

thats pretty lean, eat more lift more weight.


then feel free to play around with whatever you choose, but hgh is seems almost pointless to me in your case ,.