Test only or Winny?

[r0bi25]

Hey guys, I have posted before and THOUGHT I was set on a Test only cycle. However I was doing some more research and found that a short burst winny cycle could be done and not really affect natural production much. What would be better as this is my first cycle of anything and I want to keep the dosages low so I dont have to jack them up for later cycles.

1-12 Test - E 300mg/wk (or Prop to not bloat..)

or

1-4 winny?

Recommendations or experience would be appreciated...
I am 26yr old, 5'10 200lbs 15% (and dropping -- 1/2 way thru a clen cycle and its working wonders -- also this cycle isnt going to start for a few months till I get BF % down a little more) been lifting since 18 - 3yrs very seriously...and my diet is good i have posted it before.
Thanks again guys

[redz]

Test only is a much better idea, though I think you should up the dose to 400-500mg per week though 300mg is a bit low. Winny is not great to run by itself it is a pain to inject every day and does shut down your natural test production. Make sure you have a good pct lined up.

[inky-e]

Goals as far as cycle?

[breakbones]

Test

[Afgas]

I would agree with test prop at 500mg/week and winstrol at 50mg/eod .
Run these 2 for 10-12 weeks and you will see what I mean.
After this use pregnyl and clomid

[stpete]

Test.

[muhammad1185]

depends on goals, winny is used at the end of a cutting cycle or used during a cutting cycle, if you havent got the mass and size, ull be wasting your time trying to cut,

id go for the test e, ran at no more than 400-500mgs a week, for 10-12 weeks, if you have the right ai, like arimidex, you wont bloat at all, keep the cardio up aswell,

research shows test e is very effective on its own and with a good pct u can keep 78-85% of gains on average.

[r0bi25]

Thanks for the input guys, What are realistic goals I am thinking 10-15lbs and losing a little BF...Will i see 1-2 inches on my arms in 10-12 weeks?? Can i expect to gain 20% more on my bench..this is my first cycle so I am honestly not hoping for a lot but I would like to see results obviously.

[muhammad1185]

it all depends on diet and training regime. there are people that easily pack on 15lbs during a cycle, and with test you do get an increase in strenght by far more than 20%, it depends on how your body handles it, i know a friend who use to bench press 100kgs, after a 10 week cycle, and a good diet this went upto nearly 140kgs. so its possible,

with regards to the fat burning, try fat burners,good diet, and cardio. nothing works better.

dont use test with winny, its not a good combination, just read up on it, ull soon find out,

[one8nine]

I would agree with test prop at 500mg/week and winstrol at 50mg/eod .
Run these 2 for 10-12 weeks and you will see what I mean.
After this use pregnyl and clomid

please dont give anyone advice until you have learned some things yourself
winstrol is used ONCE A DAY, EVERY DAY MINIMUM. twice a day prefered.
also, hcg clomid is a weak pct, and either way clomid SUCKS