19nor help

[nate1235]

AAS – For step one, Testosterone should be assumed as the base of almost every cycle. First off, every good cycle includes test. The reason test needs to be included (even at as little as 150mg per week, because that is still double the average man’s level) is to replace natural Testosterone that will be suppressed or shut down during the cycle. Aside from that, testosterone is a great, well-rounded hormone for good AR binding, muscle gain, appetite increase and red blood cell increase. The only exception to this rule is a short DHT only cycle. In a three to four week cycle a DHT hardly has enough time to suppress the natural production of test, much less have a strong enough effect that natural levels need to be supplemented or replaced.

Second a 19Nor should be chosen. Deca is better for joints, has less frequent injection times, and causes less aggression; Tren has better AR binding, fat loss and lean muscle gain. The only time that Deca and Tren should be used together is when the long estered form of Deca is being used and the short estered Tren, or 17aa Tren is being used as a kick-start; their negative side effects overcome the good.

Third, a DHT should be chosen. Masteron is injectable and better for lean muscle gain, and on the other hand Winstrol is available in an oral form and is better for fat loss. Winstrol and Masteron are not uncommon to be used together and can have possible synergetic effects together.
Now that three hormones have been chosen, doses should be chosen. Test can be used anywhere between 150mg and 2g per week with most average doses being 350mg to 500mg. Based on the Testosterone dose chosen, the dose of the 19nor class can be chosen. The same goes for 19nors as long as progesterone is controlled correctly to avoid side effects. The two most common ways to use 19nors are to dose Tren or Deca equally to test, or Tren is lowered as low as half the dose of test if the side effects are too strong, or sometimes Deca is used between 100mg and 250mg per week as joint therapy and not expected to do much of anything for strength or muscle gain. As for DHT, this dose is completely subjective. Because Winstrol is 17aa it shouldn’t be taken at more than 100mg per day, and I see anything more than 200mg per day of Masteron a waste. If Winstrol is being used alone without the addition of testosterone or any other hormone the dose and length is best at 100mg per day for twenty-five days, although I would never advise a cycle without Testosterone. Two different types of 17aas should never be run together in a cycle, and never for more than seven weeks at a time.

ok so from this i got that i need a AAS hormone, a 19nor hormone, and a dht for a good cycle. in this same thread it said that 19nor's have really bad estrogenic side effects so my question is do i need a 19nor for a good cycle?

[T_Own]

no, but the sides aren't that bad, and you can combat them pretty easily. thats more high level, if you're just starting out test only would be best

[one8nine]

thats more for advanced users.
is this your first cycle?
you dont need a 19nor- simply suggesting the strongest stacks are test/dht/19nor

for a first cycle test alone is more than enough

[nate1235]

ya it would be my first cycle. im just trying to put it all together. so i need some test and letro for gyno protection a DHT and something for pct? what would you suggest as dosages for a 225lb 22yr old for the test? im looking not to poke myself as often so i think i would go with a test with a longer (chain?). you know. the ones that last longer.

[redz]

Test E twice per week at 500mg/week. I personally think letro is way too strong to use on that cycle. I would just have arimidex on hand in case you feel any signs or symptoms of gyno. For pct use an AI and serm and start that 2 weeks after your last shot of Test E.

[one8nine]

ya it would be my first cycle. im just trying to put it all together. so i need some test and letro for gyno protection a DHT and something for pct? what would you suggest as dosages for a 225lb 22yr old for the test? im looking not to poke myself as often so i think i would go with a test with a longer (chain?). you know. the ones that last longer.

your options for test are (long esters)
testosterone enanthate
testosterone cypionate
testosterone decanoate

shoot one of these 2x a week, 250mg in each shot. total of 500mg a week.
do this for 10 weeks, meaning youll need about 20ml

for test only, letro is a good choice but you can also choose arimidex or aromasin as an ai. letro is really the best though.

you dont NEED a dht, but if you are interested you could try oral winstrol for the first or or last 4-6 weeks of your cycle.

long estered test takes 4-6 weeks to see results, and winstrol takes effect immediately- you could use it to gain from while waiting for test to kick in

alternitively, test e also takes 2 weeks to clear the system so you could also choose to cover THAT time with winstrol.. say weeks 7-12 with pct starting week 13

the pct i recomend is nolvadex 20mg-40mg, plus 50mg proviron for 4-6 weeks starting 2 weeks after final test e shot

MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL:
post up your bf%
summary of your diet/# of meals per day
workout split/years lifting

[one8nine]

Test E twice per week at 500mg/week. I personally think letro is way too strong to use on that cycle. I would just have arimidex on hand in case you feel any signs or symptoms of gyno. For pct use an AI and serm and start that 2 weeks after your last shot of Test E.

letro is only too strong if dosed to high

.25mg eod oe e3d is perfect

[T_Own]

do they make injectable test decanoate? no one ever mentions it

[powerliftmike]

do they make injectable test decanoate? no one ever mentions it

Yea, you can get it.

[jc95605]

Test E twice per week at 500mg/week. I personally think letro is way too strong to use on that cycle. I would just have arimidex on hand in case you feel any signs or symptoms of gyno. For pct use an AI and serm and start that 2 weeks after your last shot of Test E.

Agreed 100%

[one8nine]

do they make injectable test decanoate? no one ever mentions it

mostly ugl
back in the day it was 1/4 the price of e or c from my guy cause it wasnt popular best believe i grabbed it

[JiGGaMaN]

do they make injectable test decanoate? no one ever mentions it

You can get human grade injectable test undecanoate now. They are using it for HRT: one inject ever 2 months or something retarded like that.

[one8nine]

You can get human grade injectable test undecanoate now. They are using it for HRT: one inject ever 2 months or something retarded like that.

id pin undec 1x a week on hrt- like 1000mg cause ester weight
what about laurate thatd be the shit