1st Cycle?

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 04:30 PM

Im asking for some advice for a first cycle. Here is what I have set-up, if you think its stupid, please tell me.

Deca -400mg/week

Sust 250- 500mg/week

D-Bol- 25mg/day for 1st 2 weeks and last 2 weeks.

Clomid and Hcg for pst- not sure how much of these..

I was thinking of a 12 week cycle.

thanks for all the help...

**stallion_1** · 08-01-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyroy

Im asking for some advice for a first cycle. Here is what I have set-up, if you think its stupid, please tell me.

Deca -400mg/week

Sust 250- 500mg/week

D-Bol- 25mg/day for 1st 2 weeks and last 2 weeks.

Clomid and Hcg for pst- not sure how much of these..

I was thinking of a 12 week cycle.

thanks for all the help...

1. run the d-bol at 35mg/day for the first 4 or 5 weeks. not the way u have it set.thats wrong.
2.clomid and hcg are both used to stimulate ur test back to normal. where is ur anti-e? drop the hcg and get nolvadex .
3.run the deca for 10 weeks and the sus for the 12 weeks.
ull grow on this cycle like a mofo since it is ue 1st cycle, just keep a high calory diet to keep the gains.

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 04:46 PM

how much clomid and nolvadex would you suggest? and would 4,000 calories be good? Im 25 ,10.4% BF, 5'11 211 LBS.

**stallion_1** · 08-01-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyroy

how much clomid and nolvadex would you suggest? and would 4,000 calories be good? Im 25 ,10.4% BF, 5'11 211 LBS.

if ur gonna do a 12 weeker cycle. then like a said do the deca for only 10 weeks. and the sus for 12. after ur last injection of sus wait 3 weeks and start pct. as follows
week16-18 nolvadex 40mg/day clomid 150mg/day
weeks19-20 nolvadex 20mg/day clomid 100mg/day

4000 calories will be fine.

i would not run sus for a first cycle, since it has prop and prop must be injected eod, not recomended for a newbie. can u get test enanthate ? coz that one is better as u only need 2 injections per week.

now the deca can be injected once a week, but id split it in two injections on 2 different days.

**stallion_1** · 08-01-2008, 04:57 PM

out of curosity what neddle, and gouge will u be using for u injections?

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 05:09 PM

not sure what gauge, just getting ready to ask. yes i can get enanthate , but why that instead of sus. everyone keeps telling me sus..

**DS21** · 08-01-2008, 05:13 PM

Nolva is a serm not an ai. I would suggest arimidex and nolva for pct, and maybe just test for your first cycle, your call.

**stallion_1** · 08-01-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyroy

not sure what gauge, just getting ready to ask. Yes i can get enanthate, but why that instead of sus. Everyone keeps telling me sus..

look dude, sus has a lot of test esters. Some act fast others dont.the ones that act fast,namely prop,need to be injected eod. Ur new, u dont know how ur body is gonna react. Now test enth is just one ester (no shit) it is better for newbies and needs to be injected only 2 days a week.

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 05:16 PM

stay with 500mg of the enth?

**DS21** · 08-01-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyroy

stay with 500mg of the enth?

If I was you I would just run 500mg/w of whatever test you prefer. Next cycle add deca .

**stallion_1** · 08-01-2008, 05:19 PM

Yes, 500 enth/week will be fine. 2 injections per week. 250 mg on each injection

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 05:19 PM

whats wrong with adding deca ? just because its my 1st time?

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 05:21 PM

does it matter what days the 2 are taken

**stallion_1** · 08-01-2008, 05:23 PM

Usually on ur 1st cycle, u just run a compound to see how ur body reacts. I myself ran a harsher 1st cycle (t susp and anadrol ) but was fine. It is up to u. It depends if u have a weak body.

**DS21** · 08-01-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyroy

whats wrong with adding deca? just because its my 1st time?

The reason being, if you get gyno you won't know if it is the test or deca that is causing it, and you will grow plenty with test only just eat, train hard and rest.

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 05:27 PM

cool,really appreciate the help guys..

**stpete** · 08-01-2008, 05:32 PM

What are your stats like bro? How long you been working out?

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 05:35 PM

if your talking measurments;not sure on, and i started working out hard when i was 18. so 7 years ago.

**richtries** · 08-01-2008, 05:35 PM

some,sound,advice,from,another,site,in,my,opinion. .......

Personally, IMHO and from my own experience I would suggest that you also look at the 'bigger picture'. By this I mean not just to think about what you can do with this cycle but also how you can sensabliy "build" each cycle through out the years that you plan to train.
Baisiclly anything you now do is going to give you descent results, but in my experience no one ever does one cycle so the next one is going to have to be a little more, and the next one a little more again and so on and so on.....
I hope I've explained this right?

I now train with a couple of "seasoned" bodybuilders (they'd kill me if I called them old) who through misinformation in their day, were a bit "gun hoe" during their first years of steroid use .... The more is better attitude. And now these guys are having to use doses of drugs that are way higher than you would like to imagine as 'safe'.
I dont know if there is any clinical or scientific evidence that the body responds less or not so well to same dose cycles time after time???? But this is what I have personally experienced.

You,should,gain,24lbs,off,a,test,e,only,first,cycl e.....without,the,complications,of,wondering,
which,compound,is,doing,what?

**hockeyguy** · 08-01-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

What are your stats like bro? How long you been working out?

Agree! Height, Weight, BF%, Tell us a bit about your diet.

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 05:59 PM

7 meals
1st /727 cal, 21 fat, 63 carb, 67 pro
2nd /580, 11, 45, 67
3rd/ 463, 3, 35, 72
4th /779, 19, 89, 61
5th /523, 17, 49, 46
6th/ 415, 2, 37, 61
7th/ same as #6 just a shake

25 yrs old,10.4% BF, 5'11 211 LBS.

**stpete** · 08-01-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyroy

Im asking for some advice for a first cycle. Here is what I have set-up, if you think its stupid, please tell me.

Deca -400mg/week

Sust 250- 500mg/week

D-Bol- 25mg/day for 1st 2 weeks and last 2 weeks.

Clomid and Hcg for pst- not sure how much of these..

I was thinking of a 12 week cycle.

thanks for all the help...

Do you already have these compounds? I've never heard of running dbol for 1st 2 weeks and then last 2 weeks. That's a waste. Besides, 3 different compounds for a first cycle is a little too much and i think a lot of people would agree. Test only cycle for first time is best.

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 06:13 PM

yes i have all of it, so just do 500 mg of test to start?

**hockeyguy** · 08-01-2008, 06:13 PM

I agree again. If you are going to run the d-bol just run it the first 4 weeks of the cycle. Try to keep it simple at first.

**mikeyroy** · 08-01-2008, 06:14 PM

do i even need the d-bol for my 1st cycle?

**hockeyguy** · 08-01-2008, 06:17 PM

No. Like stpete said a lot of people recommend a test only first cycle.

**mkrulic** · 08-01-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

look dude, sus has a lot of test esters. Some act fast others dont.the ones that act fast,namely prop,need to be injected eod. Ur new, u dont know how ur body is gonna react. Now test enth is just one ester (no shit) it is better for newbies and needs to be injected only 2 days a week.

theres only 30mg of prop in sust. thats like 12% of the compound. If you took a shot of sust and then the rest of the cycle w/ no prop,220mg/ml sust you would not be able to tell the diff at 2 shots per week.