Substatuting for Tren

[RODDAWG]

Guys,

My last Cycle consist of:
Tren/Prop/Winn and Clen.

I had substantual muscle gains with the Tren, I know the dangers of Tren and its side effects. I think during my cycle I developed minor GYNO (Not sure what gyno looks like but I can not seem to get my chest/nipples to tighten in, they continue to point outward..ADVISE?). Plus PCT has to be on point with Tren.

Im looking to run another cycle here in a few weeks with:
Prop and Var....Clen. I want to add to this gear without using Tren (but same results or better) and without having to worry about the GYNO effects or extensive PCT.

Im looking to get the hard cut look.

Thanks fellas!!!

[graeme87]

get letro if you have signs of gyno. Cbino has a great thread on using letro for gyno.

What are your stats and what doses did you use in your last cycle?

Also you say you want the hard cut look, you'll need to be more specific on that. Hard cut look for some people could mean dropping 2-3% bf others it could mean dropping 10% and then there is the question of lean muscle gain.

If you could tell us where you are now and where you are trying to get to with your next cycle it would make it a lot easier to give advice.

[PT]

use some bromo or even some b-6 since tren is a progestin

[RODDAWG]

get letro if you have signs of gyno. Cbino has a great thread on using letro for gyno.

What are your stats and what doses did you use in your last cycle?

Also you say you want the hard cut look, you'll need to be more specific on that. Hard cut look for some people could mean dropping 2-3% bf others it could mean dropping 10% and then there is the question of lean muscle gain.

If you could tell us where you are now and where you are trying to get to with your next cycle it would make it a lot easier to give advice.

Yeah, Im just not sure if it is GYNO or just BF. If I post pics, that might help?

Stats: 6'2, 225lbs, age 26, est 13%BF.
Last Cycle: weeks 1-10...100mgEOD Tren, 100mg EOD Prop
weeks 6-10...50mgED Winn

Im trying to cut to under 10%BF with lean muscle.
My results from my last cycle where fantastic. I started the cycle weighing 230lbs with almost 20%BF, gained 10lbs of lean muscle and dropped 7% of my BF. Since being off the cycle now for over a month Ive dropped bellow my starting weight of 230lbs and am now 225lbs. I have even though I dropped 15lbs since my cycle I have maintained most of my muscle, just burnned off mostly fat.

Im on a heavy rep, light weights, heavy cardio workout right now. I wants to drop to atleast 215lbs before I start my next cycle. With my next cycle I want to lean out and go from 215lbs to 225lbs with more lean mass than before.

[T_Own]

i'd look into changing your diet, not changing your cycle. you're not gonna find much better results than with tren, and you ran a pretty conservative dose

[RODDAWG]

i'd look into changing your diet, not changing your cycle. you're not gonna find much better results than with tren, and you ran a pretty conservative dose

Well for my size and my appetite I do eat healthy and intake alot of solid protein meals, lots of chicken and fish. I tend to binge on weekends cause I love to be out doing things. But I can say I could run a rather strict and healthy diet, better than current.

I not looking for better gains than with TREN, im just looking to replace the tren with something with less GYNO sides but get the same results.

Thanks for your input RAMPAGE!! Much appreciated

[T_Own]

well even a few bad meals a week can throw off everything. i'm just saying that you dropped some good weight with low doses, so i think you can get to your goal without anything.

if you really want to cycle again, i'd go with 75mg prop ed w1-8/10, and 50mg winstrol ed 3-10 or something.

[RODDAWG]

So its better just eliminate TREN rather than sub it?

Im not looking to cut down to my goal while on cycle, I want to cut down to 215lbs from 225lbs then start the cycle to get a leaner 225lbs.