Is there a dangerous interaction between these?

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 09:47 AM

I am currently running a clen /T3 cycle and want to begin a Trem/Winny cycle.

1. Is there danger in running these together?

2. Also, will run phentermine for 2 weeks after the T3/clen is over. Interaction with it?

Also, can anyone suggest a good schedule for the trem/win? I'm already fairly large, just trying to slim up and build up some strength for the next month in anticipation of a training course. Thanks in advance.

**NATE0406** · 08-12-2008, 10:23 AM

first it is tren not trem. bro there is so much wrong with your post. lets start with your stats.
height?
weight?
bf%
age?
cycle exp?

**redz** · 08-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Tren and winny without test will shut you down hard.

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 11:15 AM

My number 1 concern was possible dangerous interaction. As for the info you wanted:

height? 6"
weight? 260
bf% probably around 20%
age? 32
cycle exp? appx 9 years ago, I ran 2 cycles of sus 250

I have a moderately physical training course coming up in about 1 - 1 1/2 months and I am not in top shape. Trying to cut some excess bf and build up some inner core strength, not trying to get big and cut up right now. Just want to do a crash course to help prepare. My knees are pretty shot, so any shortcuts I can take will be helpful. Am just starting a low impact cardio regimen and holding off the tren /win until I find out if it will cause adverse effects with the T3/clen

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by redz

Tren and winny without test will shut you down hard.

pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by "shut you down hard"? And what kind of test do you recommend. Will sus 250 suffice? I did it once and put on mass like crazy, but that may have been more from my workout regimen at the time. Trying to avoid too much gains in mass.

**NATE0406** · 08-12-2008, 11:31 AM

being shut down means that your body stops producing natural test. that is why you should run test along side either one of these compounds, to take place of what your body stops producing. yes sust 250 will do nicely. as far as adverse effects, shouldnt be a problem. if you are going to run tren with clen i would just reconmend you keep an eye on your temp. why dont you set up your purposed cycle so we can see what you have planned. also what do you have planned for pct?

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by NATE0406

why dont you set up your purposed cycle so we can see what you have planned. also what do you have planned for pct?

I haven't gotten that far yet. Was hoping to get some advice here. I was told by someone that there may be adverse effects to taking both sets of items. If there were, I was planning to stick with the clen /T3 - phetermine cycle. Any ideas as to a good schedule that will be best for fat loss/strength building without regards to building mass?

**NATE0406** · 08-12-2008, 11:45 AM

define adverse effects.... you will have some nasty sides but besides that if used correctly your biggest worry would be gyno. my advice would be to leave steroids alone for a while and just stick with your clen /t3 cycle. there is so much to know before you delve off into this.

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by NATE0406

define adverse effects.....

Coma, heart attack, stroke, homosexual impulses, etc

**NATE0406** · 08-12-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by STRICTLY_POONTANG

Coma, heart attack, stroke, homosexual impulses, etc

lmfao.. hahaha.. who told you that... anyway some of those are possiable (unlikely) effects. if you have any heart issues what so ever you need to stay far away from clen and tren for sure.

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 12:02 PM

No one told me those were possible, they are just my biggest worries, not necessarily in that order. Would I be better off with a win/sus 250 cycle in order to help assist with my needs? Everything that I've read about tren says it's about the best product for building and burning so I was really hoping to give it a shot. Any cycle schedule recommendations in case I take that route?

**NATE0406** · 08-12-2008, 12:05 PM

ok bro here it goes.
forget about the tren .
weeks 1-12 sust 250, 500mgs/week split into two injections per week.
weeks 6-12 winstrol 50mgs/day

do you know what pct is?

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by NATE0406

ok bro here it goes.
forget about the tren .
weeks 1-12 sust 250, 500mgs/week split into two injections per week.
weeks 6-12 winstrol 50mgs/day

do you know what pct is?

Yes. Clomid would be best I would assume, but is it really needed with that cycle?

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 12:17 PM

also, I haven't messed with sus 250 in awhile. 2 ml = 500 mg, correct? Also, on the Winstrol , what is the ml/mg conversion?

**NATE0406** · 08-12-2008, 12:25 PM

bro i really dont think you are ready to cycle but i will answer you questions. yes a pct is needed for this cycle. this is not considered a light cycle. anytime you run these compounds you should run a pct afterwards. yes with sust 250 its 250mgs/ml. so you would need to inject 2ml a week for 500mgs. i dont know the dosing on the winstrol that you have. it will be marked somewhere on the bottle/vial. your next step should be to hit the diet and pct forums and read up.

**STRICTLY_POONTANG** · 08-12-2008, 12:38 PM

Thanks for the info. The bottle says 50mg/1ml. So i am guessing 1500 mg per bottle. 2 last questions.

1. I had heard that this could be taken orally instead of injecting. Is that true with this product, or is it only effective orally in a pill form?

2. I have a bottle that I let someone take 2 ml from about 1 month ago. Is the remainder still good? Is there a shelf life after the bottle has been pulled from?