Too much, too little or just right?

[8baWhitu]

Hi all,

My stat's:
5'10" @ 195LBS with 10% BF.

I'm a newbie to this forum, and still by the looks of it a novice to the world of roids.

I've done three cycles to date, with all the advice coming from an ex-gym buddy of mine, who was an amature BB here in Asia. He's moved on, so I'm on my own with respect to advice on this topic.

I'm not in too bad a shape, in my mid 30's and have been training for about 3 years mainly for Rugby. However now my rugby days are all but gone, i'd like to put on a bit more size (no desire to be Arnold) but would like to add a bit more bulk to my upper body, arms, and calfs.

I've done a lot research on this site to date and really want to get an honest opinon about my proposed bulking cycle, especially around the dosages, timings, and PCT.

Cycle 10 Weeks
Dbol @ 40mg ED (first 4 weeks)
Test E @ 500mg EW (Monday) for 10 weeks
Tren E @ 300mg EW (Friday) for 9 weeks
Winstrol @ 50mg ED for 5 weeks (weeks 7-12)

PCT to start week 12 (2 weeks after ending Test / Tren)
Nolvadex @ 40mg ED for Weeks 1 & 2 & then 20mgs weeks 3 & 4
L-dex @ .25mg for 4 weeks
Clomid @ 100mg for 4 weeks

[stallion_1]

1. for test and tren, each should be split into 2 injections per week, not just one.
2. tren should be stopped 2 weeks before the last injection of test.
3.pct should start 3 weeks after the last injection of test.

[8baWhitu]

Cheers mate,
So being crystal clear, PCT will start 5 weeks after last Tren E injection, and 3 weeks after Test E.

Cycle details revised based on your feedback:

Cycle 10 Weeks
Dbol @ 40mg ED (first 4 weeks)
Test E @ 250mg 2XEW (Sunday / Wednesday) for 10 weeks
Tren E @ 150mg 2XEW (Tuesday / Saturday) for 8 weeks
Winstrol @ 50mg ED for 5 weeks (weeks 7-12)

PCT to start week 13 (3 weeks after ending Test) Nolvadex @ 40mg ED for Weeks 1 & 2 & then 20mgs weeks 3 & 4
L-dex @ .25mg for 4 weeks
Clomid @ 100mg for 4 weeks

[ChemWizard1]

I agree with stallion, cycle looks money tho bro

[stallion_1]

ya, that looks like a pretty good cycle. if you happen to have gyno problems while on tren, make sure to use the arimidex.

[8baWhitu]

I agree with stallion, cycle looks money tho bro

I've already got most of the gear except for L-dex, and Clomid, however after revising the dosages etc, I'm still short on tren and test. With the gear that I already have I could drop the dosages down to 200mg for Test E and 250mg Tren E, however the Test E dosage is probably a little too late you think?

Biggest challenge getting my hands on L-dex and Clomid.

Question for you guys. L-dex for gyno, i've read that Nolva is equally good (personally used before when the tits started to itch), if I can't get my hands on L-dex, would this suffice?

[stallion_1]

1. Dosage would be very low and useless if ran at 200 mg for test, might as well wait till u get more gear. Also 250 of tren is way to low.
2.nolvadex is good, however if you happen to get gyno while on tren. Nolva will only make it worse. It only diminish gyno from test. So you need an ai.
3.no, nolva shall not suffice since ur running tren. If you were running only test then nolva would be enough.
4. Nolva has been shown to increase natty test levels(like clomid) and serve as an anti e for pct. So if you cant get clomid, you could get away with a nolva only pct. But you must need an ai if you get gyno from tren.

[8baWhitu]

Cheers mate, understand.

I'm in no hurry, and given that the gear to date has already cost me a pretty penny, better waiting to get the rest of the gear.

One thing though, you say that 250mg Tren is too low, I already have 2x10ml @ 100mg/ml, which at 8 weeks running equates to 250mg EW. I'm thinking if I get two more Test E (10ml @ 200mg/ml) that would up my weekly dose to 600mg and possibly leave the tren @ 250mg to limit the side effects?

Or...

Just bite the bullet and get more tren to up the weekly dosage to 375mg and 600mg for Tren?

Think i possibly already have my answer.... f**k my wife is gonna hate even more now!

[stallion_1]

WELL, TEST AT 200 MG PER WEEK IS DEFINITIVELY WAY TO LOW.
NOW FOR TREN, THE EFFECTIVE DOSE IS 40-70 mg every 2-3 days, SO MY BAD, TREN AT 250 MG IS GOOD TO GO. SO WITH THE 2 VIALS YOU SHOULD BE OK. BUT U NEED TO GET MORE TEST. THE EFFECTIVE DOSE FOR TEST IS 500 MG PER WEEK MINIMUM.

[stallion_1]

Dont buy more tren, id only recommend 600 mg of tren per week for advanced users. Ull get good gains from tren at 250-300 mg per week.

[8baWhitu]

Thanks buddy, just been reading more up on tren, and f**k, sounds like i'm gonna have a fun time as i'm normally a little edgy without the roids.

Already got the oder in for the test, so just gotta sort out the l-dex and clomid and i'm sorted.

[stallion_1]

Good luck!!!!!!!!