Long Cycle: Testo+Anadrol50+Deca+Equipoise+Dianabol+Trembolone +Oxandrolone

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

Hi everyone

I'm from Brazil so I apologize if my English isn't perfect

My stats are:

5'11f 175lb 15%bf

I had previously used this stack and had pretty good gains:

1-4 40mg/daily dianabol
1-8 sustanon 250 twice a week

I'm planning a long cycle for me to have great gains and get ripped in the end. it is as follows:

1-4 50mg/daily Anadrol50
1-8 300mg/weekly Test. Cypionate
1-8 300mg/weekly Deca
9-12 50mg/daily Dianabol
9-16 250mg/weekly Test. Enanthate
9-16 300mg/weekly Equipoise
14-20 60mg/daily Anavar
16-20 100mg Test. Propionate EOD
16-20 75mg Trembolone Acetate EOD

I'll post my PCT later....

so folks, maybe I need to raise my Test. doses? what do you think about the drugs I chose and their dosage?

thanks everybody for your attention!

[Dukkit]

whew. i dont even know where to begin....

1. thats a crazy ass cycle
2. according to your stats, your 5'11 and only 175 pounds?? and 15% BF??
3. personally i dont think with those stats your ready for a cycle. Especially a cycle like this
4. now to get into your actual doses...
A. Ive never been a fan of switching Tests throughout a cycle and it looks like your doing it 3 times. You cant keep stable blood levels with changing test esters. So right there is a no no for me. Even if you use the cyp and enth. which are so similiar its uncanny. i still dont recommend it.
B. Your only running Tren for 4 weeks? at that dose i dont think it will really make to much of a difference in ratio to everything else your taking.
C. Using Anabol, D-bol, Anavar right after each other is not good for your liver, i would either not do so. or take a shit load of milk thistle.
D. Your only using Deca for 8 wks? With decas ester it doesnt really fully reach stable blood levels and kick to about week 6-8. so your not going to get the most out of it for running it so short. Thats also a low dose. i would go with 400mg at least
E. Same thing with your EQ. Its a low dose and short time for it to actually do anything.
F. All your test doses are pretty low also. Not sure your reason for doing that?
5. How are you going to go from an 8 week cycle to this?
6. what are your previous cycles?
7. what is your age?
8. What is your diet like
9. Im really curious to see what your PCT will be.
10. and overall i say this is a very poorly planned cycle. all this is not needed unless your a pro bodybuilder and have been doing cycles for years and years.

[VR4]

That is an absolutely terrible cycle. Im on my phone so i cant type it all out. Give me a min . . .

[redz]

Better to stick to just a few compounds, that cycle has a bit of everything and I cant see it being good for a second cycle. Test and Tren or Test and Deca are both good combos. Also why change from test cyp to enanthate to prop? your blood levels are going to be all over the place if you followed that cycle you laid out.

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

I'm actually 82,5kg, I don't know if I have converted it right to pounds..
and I'm 22 years-old

[abbot138]

Yeah, im pretty much gonna agree with everything Duk said.....That is a monster cycle for an experienced body builder, let alone someone with your stats. We arent attacking you personally here but you need to get your body together naturally before doing anymore cycles. Right now at 175 and 15% your kind of skinny fat, again not flaming, just giving you the truth. You should go to the diet forum and learn how to eat. Get the body fat down a little into the 10-12 range, shouldnt take to long if you do it right, 6 weeks or so....Then do a NATURAL BULK and pack on some LBM before thinking about a cycle. You have PLENTY of natural growth left to do before you even need to think about aas. I know its not what you wanted to hear and your probably doubting everything I say, but its the truth. You will be amazed at how fast you can get big with a sound diet/training/supplement (and no I dont mean pro-hormones) program.....I wont even touch on the specifics of your proposed cycle bc Duk already covered it, plus I am hoping you will reconsider using gear at all.

[Dukkit]

Yeah, im pretty much gonna agree with everything Duk said.....That is a monster cycle for an experienced body builder, let alone womeone with your stats. We arent attacking you personally here but you need to get your body together naturally before doing anymore cycles. Right now at 175 and 15% your kind of skinny fat, again not flaming, just giving you the truth. You should go to the diet forum and learn how to eat. Get the body fat down a little into the 10-12 range, shouldnt take to long if you do it right, 6 weeks or so....Then do a NATURAL BULK and pack on some LBM before thinking about a cycle. You have PLENTY of natural growth left to do before you even need to think about aas. I know its not what you wanted to hear and your probably doubting everything I say, but its the truth. You will be amazed at how fast you can get big with a sound diet/training/supplement (and no I dont mean pro-hormones) program.....I wont even touch on the specifics of your proposed cycle bc Duk already covered it, plus I am hoping you will reconsider using gear at all.

thank you my good man

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

I would switch tests because I want to end that cycle with a short lived test.
my intention was to had a good bulking phase and then a cutting phase with tremb/anavar

[Ernst]

Holy crap.

82,5 kilos is 181 pounds. Listen to abbott and dukki.

[Dukkit]

I would switch tests because I want to end that cycle with a short lived test.
my intention was to had a good bulking phase and then a cutting phase with tremb/anavar

thats the problem nowadays with you youths. you always want the best of both worlds.

you need to decide whether your bulking or cutting. one or the other. at your weight and body fat. im not even sure what i would do. id go with what abbot says and cut for a few weeks. get down to 10% then bulk up like nuts.

you will see better results and be able to reach those goals easier and faster that way. without gear!

[Big]

these guys are giving you very good advice, as they always do. your current stats could have easily been obtained naturally and you have already cycled, therefore something is wrong from the start, diet and training wise. I've cycled longer than I can remember and I don't like that cycle one bit, even if you were ready you could accomplish the same results with 3 compounds if everything else was in order.

[Dukkit]

these guys are giving you very good advice, as they always do. your current stats could have easily been obtained naturally and you have already cycled, therefore something is wrong from the start, diet and training wise. I've cycled longer than I can remember and I don't like that cycle one bit, even if you were ready you could accomplish the same results with 3 compounds if everything else was in order.

aww shucks. im blushing

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

correct me if I am wrong...

side effects from steroids are mostly due to the dosage you use whick you lead to a greater conversion to estrog./dht, etc..., I'm not using great dosages
the problem with longer cycles is your endogenous test. production, you will need a more aggresive tpc.
i chose for the end of the cycle short lived esthers so I would start my tpc almost right after the 20 weeks (I've seen a lot of "safer" cyles that are 12 weeks long but using long lived esthers that would totalize 15 weeks "on", so my cycle is not that long)
what do you think guys?
thanks for your replies

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

correct me if I am wrong...

side effects from steroids are mostly due to the dosage whick leads to a greater conversion to estrog./dht, etc..., I'm not using great dosages
the problem with longer cycles is your endogenous test. production, you will need a more aggresive tpc.
i chose for the end of the cycle short lived esthers so I would start my tpc almost right after the 20 weeks (I've seen a lot of "safer" cyles that are 12 weeks long but using long lived esthers that would totalize 15 weeks "on", so my cycle is not that long)
what do you think guys?
thanks for your replies

[Dukkit]

im still going with a big no my friend.

no cycle. post your diet up. do some cardio. then bulk diet. no cycle.

and if your one of those that asks for advice and then doesnt listen... well i would say at least change your cycle to 2 or 3 compounds. for 8-12 weeks. you can use short esters if your dead set on that whole idea. prop, tren . d-bol, so on.

[Reed]

I think you should stay away from the steroids at where your at now. Excluding the fact that its a really poor cycle ranging from the doses, to how long you run everything, and how your running everything that is something a pro bodybuilder would do when he is at 275 trying to get to 300 in the offseason. I just don't understand the reason in using so many drugs in one cycle; what are your goals overall just trying to get bigger or is there a strength goal you'd like to reach

You need to learn to rely on proper training and nutrition for gains not drugs

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

dukkitdalaw, I do listen to advices from more experienced users, otherwise I wouldn't be posting here

if everybody says it's wrong then I guess I won't stick to that cycle
but, I will be using gear despite of my current size, I'm sorry...

first, I will drop my bf to +- 10% naturally, without ae's
then I will bulk with this cycle

1-4 50mg/daily Anadrol 50
1-12 600mg/weekly test. cypionate
1-12 400mg/weekly deca

I am very concerned about my health and, as I said, I already cycled with 1-4 40mg/daily dbol 1-8 sust. 250 twice a week and the only side effects during the cycle were a few acne cases on my back, increased libido and a little test. atrophy that was totally reverted afeter my pct. I did blood exams later and my cholestoral/liver/hormones were just fine. ae's side effects are very exaggerated

and do you think of my new bulking cycle?

[Dukkit]

very well. if your set on cycling. thats a much better one to do. if your diet and traing is on par, you will see good gains.

dropping your body fat will help alot with you then bulking. so thats a smart choice.

now what type of PCT do you use?

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

I'm thinking seriously in adding hcg to my pct, but it's expensive. do you think I really need to add it?
my pct would be:

1st week: 40mg/daily tamox.
2nd-4th week: 20mg/daily tamox.
1-4 zma i capsule daily
1-4 1g tribullus terrestris daily
1-4 1000ui vitamin e daily

and, by the way, do you think that the length and dosages of Anadrol /cypionate /deca I posted are optimum for weight gains without side effects?

thank you very much amigo

[Reed]

Duk would you not recommend dropping the deca for at least a week before he went off the test.

You got a SERM but you need to get you an AI bro. Look into arimidex

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

and, by the way, my bulking diet would be 3500kcal to 4000kcal later in the cycle divided in these ratios: 30%carb 40%prot 30%fat and no carb after 4pm. i don't work so I have no trouble splitting my food in 6 meals.

I would supplement with malto/whey before/after workouts, casein before sleeping, a multivitamin and creatine

[Dukkit]

I'm thinking seriously in adding hcg to my pct, but it's expensive. do you think I really need to add it?
my pct would be:

1st week: 40mg/daily tamox.
2nd-4th week: 20mg/daily tamox.
1-4 zma i capsule daily
1-4 1g tribullus terrestris daily
1-4 1000ui vitamin e daily

and, by the way, do you think that the length and dosages of Anadrol /cypionate /deca I posted are optimum for weight gains without side effects?

thank you very much amigo

your dosages for your compounds are fine. maybe lower the test to 500. if this is your second cycle. you dont need it that high.
im not to well versed in the info for anadrol but i know that most ppl will start with 50mg/day for a week and then bump it to 100mg/day if they see no sides. so maybe keep that in mind. but anadrol is known for alot of sides. just to warn ya.

i would get the HCG. if you were going to spend all that money on your long cycle and all those compounds you can afford some HCG. come on now.

also make sure you use an Anti Estrogen with your PCT. Nolva isnt enough. I prefer to use nolva and clomid but to each his own. so for an AI use arimidex or aromisin

and think about getting some cabergoline because you are runnin a 19-Nor (deca) and i have had deca dick and its not fun. caber is a must for me when i run deca or tren .

*and like Reed said... stop using the deca and run the test a week or 2 longer to make sure the hard hitting deca is out of your system. it will help your PCT go easier and you recover faster. thanks Reed. i overlooked that. so much going on in my head ya know? lol

[rhino1]

1-4 50mg/daily Anadrol 50
1-12 600mg/weekly test. cypionate
1-12 400mg/weekly deca


thats a little better...

[rhino1]

editing

[Reed]

I hear you duk. Even top pros in the biz still need someone to look after them and hold there hand and wipe their asses. I know I do

[Reed]

and, by the way, my bulking diet would be 3500kcal to 4000kcal later in the cycle divided in these ratios: 30%carb 40%prot 30%fat and no carb after 4pm. i don't work so I have no trouble splitting my food in 6 meals.

I would supplement with malto/whey before/after workouts, casein before sleeping, a multivitamin and creatine

Maybe edit out the creatine and save it for PCT, cause you will need it.

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

do I have to stop using deca a week before stop using cypionate ?
by the way, I'm expecting to add at least 20lb with this cycle

[Dukkit]

do I have to stop using deca a week before stop using cypionate ?
by the way, I'm expecting to add at least 20lb with this cycle

it would be wise to do so. yes.

and you can get 20 lbs. but thats all on your diet. so make sure your diet is down.

[Reed]

do I have to stop using deca a week before stop using cypionate ?
by the way, I'm expecting to add at least 20lb with this cycle

Yes at least a week maybe two. With all that you got I wouldn't think 20lbs is going be a problem, its going to be keeping it that'll be the trick

[BadBarbie]

So you say you have cycled before and had "pretty good gains" but you are at 15%bf? how does that work out?

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

maybe using anavar 40mg daily in weeks 13-15 would help me keeping my gains before the pct?

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

BadBarbie, I had 12,5 inch arms before that cycle and was already at 15%bf. i had good gains relative do the dosages I used and my bf remained the same...

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

by the way Barbie, these are your boobs? wow

[Reed]

maybe using anavar 40mg daily in weeks 13-15 would help me keeping my gains before the pct?

I don't think thats the answer bud. Again drugs are not the answer, they are merely there to help speed the process or take you past your natural limits. I think a good PCT, proper nutrition and proper training will help you keep most. You shouldn't ever expect to keep all your gains but you should be able to keep most of them

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

so the cycle should be

1-4 50mg ED Anadrol 50
1-12 400mg weekly Deca
1-14 500mg weekly Test. Cypionate

is that right now?

and I have to use creatine during the cycle too or I should save it to the pct?

Thanks again

[Dukkit]

BadBarbie, I had 12,5 inch arms before that cycle and was already at 15%bf. i had good gains relative do the dosages I used and my bf remained the same...

wait?? 12inch arms? whew. you really dont need to cycle.

save creatine for PCT. though i sometimes use it during. it wont hurt. but its a waste of money pretty much. im just a rebel. lol

[Reed]

Thats much better. Yes you should use creatine after due to the fact you will be strong for the whole cycle and recovery should be outstanding. But when PCT comes it will be a different story and you will want all the "weapons" you can get to ensure gains are kept.

[Reed]

Yeah I was kinda shocked at that measurement myself. How long had you been working out before you started to cycle, like a week? What are they now?? You really should maximize your natural potential to ensure that you won't become reliant on drugs. How much weight are you throwing around, it can't be much, why would ever want to start using a drug unless you were naturally strong first and then become even stronger. I know they say strength is all relative when it comes to bodybuilding but I think you should be able to at least throw around 225 for 12 reps on bench before a cycle and including having your weight, training experience, and diet in check. I mean you got kids playing football at 17 and 18 that don't use drugs and can throw around 225 for 15 reps.

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

my arm measurement is nowadays a little bit more than 14,5 inches

and I won't have any trouble running test. cypionate for 14 weeks instead of 12, right?

[Henrique-from-Brazil]

by the way, the size i'd like to attain would be 16 inch arms ripped