1st cycle need help

**oak2429** · 08-13-2008, 01:13 PM

im 26 and been training for 10 years. have done a lot of prohormone cycles in past. i have 2 bottles of test cyp at 10 ml each. with the dosage being 200mg per ml.. I also have a bottle of liquid letro. How should i run this stack and what else do i need to get for my pct. Im gonna start this in bout 2 months just trying to get everything ahead of time

**G4R** · 08-13-2008, 01:15 PM

What are the rest of your stats
Height
Weight
BF%
PCT knowledge

**rhino1** · 08-13-2008, 01:24 PM

stats

**oak2429** · 08-14-2008, 10:14 AM

5'11 220lbs at bout 16-18% bf. gonna try to drop down to about 12-14% before i start my cycle. was thinking about getting some liquid nolva and liquid clomid also for this cycle for pct and running the letro if i needed it on the cycle. i think i am prone to gyno. i have had problems before with prohormones. otc pct didnt do the job. would love some help

**arenawarrior** · 08-14-2008, 10:16 AM

Sorry missed the first to replies.. thought you were wondering a cycle didnt know you had Test C. i suggest test E.. but since you already have test C

**arenawarrior** · 08-14-2008, 10:17 AM

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**boxer1** · 08-14-2008, 01:34 PM

if ur gonna run the cyp @ 500mg/week (which is a good dose for a 1st cycle) you only have 20ml of gear so its only gonna last 8 weeks, get another 10ml and run it for 12 weeks. Don't use the letro unless gyno appears. Read the stickys in pct section.

**one8nine** · 08-14-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by boxer1

if ur gonna run the cyp @ 500mg/week (which is a good dose for a 1st cycle) you only have 20ml of gear so its only gonna last 8 weeks, get another 10ml and run it for 12 weeks. Don't use the letro unless gyno appears. Read the stickys in pct section.

this is bad advice imo
i prefer to stop gyno before it starts

**oak2429** · 08-14-2008, 02:26 PM

i also have 50 winstrol pills at 50mg each. can i run these with the test? what would be the best way to stack the 2.

**oak2429** · 08-15-2008, 08:40 PM

what yall think?

**Phate** · 08-15-2008, 08:45 PM

you need more test, as is you only have enough cyp to run for 8 weeks, you need another 10mL vial

then run it like

1-12 test cyp 500mg/week
8-12 winny 100mg/day

**one8nine** · 08-15-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

you need more test, as is you only have enough cyp to run for 8 weeks, you need another 10mL vial

then run it like

1-12 test cyp 500mg/week
8-12 winny 100mg/day

why not 10-14 run it to pct
start pct week 15

**Phate** · 08-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

why not 10-14 run it to pct
start pct week 15

thats work too

**oak2429** · 08-16-2008, 02:30 PM

not sure if i can get more test. would 400 a week not work for 10 weeks and start winni at week 8?

**Phate** · 08-16-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by oak2429

not sure if i can get more test. would 400 a week not work for 10 weeks and start winni at week 8?

it would work fine, lol, you live like a couple hours from me

**oak2429** · 08-16-2008, 02:32 PM

i think i might be able to get some dbol . would it be good to stack it with the test for the first 5 weeks and at what dose

**Phate** · 08-16-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by oak2429

i think i might be able to get some dbol. would it be good to stack it with the test for the first 5 weeks and at what dose

stack for first 4-5 weeks at around 40mg/day

**oak2429** · 08-16-2008, 02:38 PM

thanks man. what part of texas u live

**Phate** · 08-16-2008, 02:41 PM

west texas, city called san angelo, little place bout 100,000 people

**boxer1** · 08-17-2008, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

this is bad advice imo
i prefer to stop gyno before it starts

I,m not saying not to prevent gyno, nolva would be better than letro for this imo. Letro is very powerful and shouldn't be used in cycle unless needed, even small doses can completely inhibit estrogen and poss effect gains. My advice is to have letro on hand and only use if needed. If hes concerned about gyno or knows he is prone, he could take nolva @ 10mg/day

**one8nine** · 08-17-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by boxer1

I,m not saying not to prevent gyno, nolva would be better than letro for this imo. Letro is very powerful and shouldn't be used in cycle unless needed, even small doses can completely inhibit estrogen and poss effect gains. My advice is to have letro on hand and only use if needed. If hes concerned about gyno or knows he is prone, he could take nolva @ 10mg/day

nolva should never be used on cycle
its strong if used in strong dosages.

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

**boxer1** · 08-17-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

nolva should never be used on cycle
its strong if used in strong dosages.

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

and letro should then??, 10mg is not strong dose of nolva, I wouldn't run it myself at any dose but this fellas talking about running letro throughout cycle. You mentioned in an earlier post about prevention is better than cure, would you advise him to run the letro throughout then?. Personally i always run proviron throughout my cycles and never have any estro related probs but a lot of people have difficulty sourcing it which is why i suggested nolva as a poss prevention for gyno. letro is a last resort imo.

**one8nine** · 08-17-2008, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by boxer1

and letro should then??, 10mg is not strong dose of nolva, I wouldn't run it myself at any dose but this fellas talking about running letro throughout cycle. You mentioned in an earlier post about prevention is better than cure, would you advise him to run the letro throughout then?. Personally i always run proviron throughout my cycles and never have any estro related probs but a lot of people have difficulty sourcing it which is why i suggested nolva as a poss prevention for gyno. letro is a last resort imo.

yes letro should
i use it .25mg ed on cycle
nolvadex greatly hinders gains
letro is my first choice