3 cycles and no results!!! help please

**pawlyszyn1987** · 08-15-2008, 01:38 PM

im looking to putting on as much size as possible atm, my diet good and i tai n correct, my first cycle i did was just anadrol just got bloated no muscle gains or strenth the same for my other cycles. which were dianabol and tren ace at 60 mg ed and 75mg of tren every other day. im 5 weeks into my new cycle which is 50 mg of dbol and a test blend 250mg every other day, just had water retentoin but no huge strength or muscle gains, all my gear is real so thats not the issue. anybody heard of steriods not working any recomondations fro a new cycle????????

**jstraw428** · 08-15-2008, 01:41 PM

If you know your gear is real, then the only thing it could be is your diet is way off, or you dont know how to train......Also, those are some pretty crappy first cycles.......how long did you wait in between cycles.....

Stats???

**Kratos** · 08-15-2008, 01:42 PM

first of all, you're cycles suck
2nd, post your stats including diet

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-15-2008, 01:43 PM

Well results vary from person to person. Are you eating enough as to put on some weight? Sometimes a couple extra meals a day makes a night and day difference.

**NATE0406** · 08-15-2008, 01:43 PM

how sure are you that your stuff is real??? sounds like bunk gear bro. sorry to tell you but i would question your source.
what where your starting stats and final stats for your last cycles. and by the way your first two cycles where crap but you still should have gained from them.

**Phate** · 08-15-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by pawlyszyn1987

im looking to putting on as much size as possible atm, my diet good and i tai n correct, my first cycle i did was just anadrol just got bloated no muscle gains or strenth the same for my other cycles. which were dianabol and tren ace at 60 mg ed and 75mg of tren every other day. im 5 weeks into my new cycle which is 50 mg of dbol and a test blend 250mg every other day, just had water retentoin but no huge strength or muscle gains, all my gear is real so thats not the issue. anybody heard of steriods not working any recomondations fro a new cycle????????

where to start? there are so many things wrong here, ok *deep breath*, here we go

1) post your diet so we can tell you if it's good, 90% of the time a its a diet problem
2) oral only cycles, like your first one, suck and are hepatotoxic(liver toxic), don't do them, you won't keep the gains
3) dianabol and tren ? your kidding? test should be the base of every cycle, especially with 19nors like tren and deca
4) 250mg eod of test? thats a ton of test bro, you obviously don't know what you are doing
5) do you even know what pct is? if not thats why you dont have any gains, i bet your natural test production is 0 about now
6) you should stop your cycle, run a pct, and research before doing another cycle

**pawlyszyn1987** · 08-15-2008, 01:50 PM

ok i am a bodybiulder im 20yrs old, 17 stone 2 lb 6 foot, 15 percent bf. ok well woz thinkin of running test eth and tren ace for my next cycle.... dont want to to orals as i loose my appetite

**WARMachine** · 08-15-2008, 01:51 PM

Crap cycles... Gear sounds fake, or you dont work out, not sure which one.

Originally Posted by pawlyszyn1987

im looking to putting on as much size as possible atm, my diet good and i tai n correct, my first cycle i did was just anadrol just got bloated no muscle gains or strenth the same for my other cycles. ????????

Terrible first cycle

Originally Posted by pawlyszyn1987

which were dianabol and tren ace at 60 mg ed and 75mg of tren every other day

??? What did you do? 60MG of DBOL ED and 75MG Tren EOD? Tren needs to be pin'd ED and needs to be run WITH test!

Originally Posted by pawlyszyn1987

im 5 weeks into my new cycle which is 50 mg of dbol and a test blend 250mg every other day, just had water retentoin but no huge strength or muscle gains, all my gear is real so thats not the issue

Test blend @ 250mg EOD? and Dbol 50MG ED right? and you have NO gains? See first Italic sentence!

**one8nine** · 08-15-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by pawlyszyn1987

im looking to putting on as much size as possible atm, my diet good and i tai n correct, my first cycle i did was just anadrol just got bloated no muscle gains or strenth the same for my other cycles. which were dianabol and tren ace at 60 mg ed and 75mg of tren every other day. im 5 weeks into my new cycle which is 50 mg of dbol and a test blend 250mg every other day, just had water retentoin but no huge strength or muscle gains, all my gear is real so thats not the issue. anybody heard of steriods not working any recomondations fro a new cycle????????

1-your diet probably sucks lets see it
2-anadrol only sucks
you needed test
you needed pct
3-dbol /tren sucks
that tren dose is too low
tren is shot every day
you needed test
you needed pct
4-how long have you been on?

**jstraw428** · 08-15-2008, 02:02 PM

post your diet.......

**WARMachine** · 08-15-2008, 02:05 PM

189 thank god!!!

Dude there are like 3 or 4 guys starting Threads today, who have no clue on what THEY ARE DOING!

We need a pro's imput!

**one8nine** · 08-15-2008, 02:13 PM

you guys had some pros in here before me! i just threw a little in

**jstraw428** · 08-15-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

you guys had some pros in here before me! i just threw a little in

well, there is always room for one more.....

**passthetest** · 08-15-2008, 02:43 PM

I say the gear is fake, when you take 50 mg of dbol for 5 weeks you will get strength and weight gains if you eat or work out at all

**NATE0406** · 08-15-2008, 03:02 PM

LOL

Originally Posted by war4BTT

189 thank god!!!

Dude there are like 3 or 4 guys starting Threads today, who have no clue on what THEY ARE DOING!

We need a pro's imput!

**jstraw428** · 08-15-2008, 03:07 PM

ha ha ha......LMAO

**Booz** · 08-15-2008, 04:36 PM

the gear may not be fake at all,as mentioned somewhere abouve the kids diet could be off and he may not be getting enuff rest..............

yes terrible 1st cycles,wheres the test??do some research...........
oh and 75mg tren acetate eod is fine contrary to beleife in this thread it does not have to be pinned ed.................

the tren dose is not to low at all,i still use 75mg EOD with great results.......
and i have had more cycles than most have had hot dinners..............
steroids are NOT the magic potion,if your diet and rest and training are not spot on you will get nothing at all from your gear................

**mkrulic** · 08-15-2008, 05:17 PM

I read a study of a control group that was given a cycle and no resistance training and made strength gains. If diet is right I got to q the gear.

**one8nine** · 08-15-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by mkrulic

I read a study of a control group that was given a cycle and no resistance training and made strength gains. If diet is right I got to q the gear.

ive seen multiple studies like this with different drugs, mostly test though
i still wanna see a diet?

**one8nine** · 08-15-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

the gear may not be fake at all,as mentioned somewhere abouve the kids diet could be off and he may not be getting enuff rest..............

yes terrible 1st cycles,wheres the test??do some research...........
oh and 75mg tren acetate eod is fine contrary to beleife in this thread it does not have to be pinned ed.................

the tren dose is not to low at all,i still use 75mg EOD with great results.......
and i have had more cycles than most have had hot dinners..............
steroids are NOT the magic potion,if your diet and rest and training are not spot on you will get nothing at all from your gear................

not saying youre wrong, if that works for you good job
but just curious
have you tried a cycle shooting ed to compare?

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-15-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by mkrulic

I read a study of a control group that was given a cycle and no resistance training and made strength gains. If diet is right I got to q the gear.

the study with 600mg test per week? yeah, they also made no size gains, so what does it matter?

**one8nine** · 08-15-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

the study with 600mg test per week? yeah, they also made no size gains, so what does it matter?

i guess it doesnt

**RapaciousShark** · 08-16-2008, 09:26 AM

bad diet/fake gear. One or the other, or both. Easy to fix.

**jethro1** · 08-16-2008, 09:46 AM

U will gain strength on ad50 whether ur diet sucks or not. If u didn't gain any strength ur anadrol was fake.

**T_Own** · 08-16-2008, 09:50 AM

i'm wondering why it took you 3 "cycles" to realize something wrong was going on here

**Flex-Appeal** · 08-16-2008, 09:52 AM

3 cycles no gains=change source,diet,workout,and your mentality

**Booz** · 08-16-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

not saying youre wrong, if that works for you good job
but just curious
have you tried a cycle shooting ed to compare?

i have ran both yes mate,
ed is obviously better with les sides ect ect and i did not say that it wasnt,some-=one stated that it HAS to be taken ed of wich it does not at all..............

**Shurik** · 08-17-2008, 07:07 PM

WOW what a joke

BG · 08-17-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

and i have had more cycles than most have had hot dinners..............

Almost pissed my pants!!!

**mod1-4** · 08-17-2008, 07:33 PM

even if your deit is way screwed up, who cant grew off 60mg of dbol a day, and 50mg of tren , stuff is fake or way underdosed

**legobricks** · 08-17-2008, 07:37 PM

very strange but i can almost gaurentee its the diet and combo of possible fake/underdosed gear

Why?

Because it still hasnt been posted and the question is ignored.

Diet is a night and day difference.

Post your diet so we can look at it.

**mod1-4** · 08-17-2008, 07:38 PM

and your a bodybuilder with 15% body fat? come on im about 11 and am no were close

**Dr_Funk** · 08-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

the study with 600mg test per week? yeah, they also made no size gains, so what does it matter?

they actually gained like 6-8kg and had significant size increase on leg measurement.

OP your gear is probably fake, and your training and diet are most likely garbage.

**Booz** · 08-18-2008, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by BG

Almost pissed my pants!!!

he there big fella.......................

**LizzardSecond** · 08-18-2008, 11:54 AM

If your currently on 250mg of test EOD, then that is 875mg a week. Thats alot of gear. It cant be real.

Second, its Diet and Diet and Diet and then some Training and Gear. I gained 38lb on my cycle. I got my diet going perfect on week 6 of a 12 week cycle of Sustanon at 625mg per week. 28Lb came in the last 6 weeks and a week after my last injection.

I had a pro make me up a diet that was about 5,000 calories a day. 75grams of carbs per meal and 50grams of protien per meal.

Basically, something is wrong. You cannot somehow be different physicalaly then the rest of us human beings.

**Dog-Slime** · 08-18-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

the gear may not be fake at all,as mentioned somewhere abouve the kids diet could be off and he may not be getting enuff rest..............

yes terrible 1st cycles,wheres the test??do some research...........
oh and 75mg tren acetate eod is fine contrary to beleife in this thread it does not have to be pinned ed.................

the tren dose is not to low at all,i still use 75mg EOD with great results.......
and i have had more cycles than most have had hot dinners..............
steroids are NOT the magic potion,if your diet and rest and training are not spot on you will get nothing at all from your gear................

I completely agree.

To the OP post up your diet with all the macros. If you don't know the macros are don't have a consistent diet then that is the first sign of it being the problem. You say you bloated some but gained NO strength? Gear may be underdosed. Did your balls shrink up on that tren cycle?