Test E too strong?

[tigerfan18]

After deciding against using myself, I had a friend decide that he was dead set on using. He has never used steroids before and was going to buy some deca. I told to hold up and that deca was a bad idea. Now he is looking for an alternative. By the way he's talking, he's gonna use no matter what I tell him. Since I can't stop him, i guess the next best thing is to make sure he does it right.

He's about 5'11 185 and pretty low bf%. He is wanting to add some size, but not too much. I've read that Test E was a good first time cycle, but don't know if it would make him too big.

[redz]

Test E is the best bet but he should really be coming on here himself and learning before putting dangerous chemical compounds into his body. How old is he?

[jstraw428]

You can tell your "friend" that he might wat to do some more research on the subject...Even though i know you, (i mean your friend) wont>>>>>>>>

Anyway, tell him that Test E at 500mgs/wk is a good starting cycle....Also tell him he needs to have some PCTgear on hand (clomid, nolvadex)

[LATS60]

After deciding against using myself, I had a friend decide that he was dead set on using. He has never used steroids before and was going to buy some deca. I told to hold up and that deca was a bad idea. Now he is looking for an alternative. By the way he's talking, he's gonna use no matter what I tell him. Since I can't stop him, i guess the next best thing is to make sure he does it right.

He's about 5'11 185 and pretty low bf%. He is wanting to add some size, but not too much. I've read that Test E was a good first time cycle, but don't know if it would make him too big.

Get too big on it......
Hahahaha, thats funny, made my day.

[redz]

Get too big on it......
Hahahaha, thats funny, made my day.

Everyone knows that steroids are magic and make you huge even if you dont eat right or work out thats why we all do them.

[LATS60]

Sshhhh, don't tell everyone, they will want some.

[tigerfan18]

Everyone knows that steroids are magic and make you huge even if you dont eat right or work out thats why we all do them.

For some reason, most of the people on this forum seem to be serious assholes. I didn't say a damn thing bout his diet. He has it down. Ever since high school when we played football together he has been on a special diet that our trainer put him on because he had problems putting on muscle. The reason that i am asking for him is because he works on a gas pipelin in the middle of nowhere and has few chances to get online (even if he did, it would be on a shared computer, and steroid research might not be a very smart thing to look up). I need some help, because if I can't convince him that there are better things, he's gonna buy some deca off an asshole he knows down there.

If some of the people here (who should have some pretty usefull opinions) want to help me instead of making smartass comments, I would appreciate it a great deal. Otherwise, I'm going to have to find help somewhere else.

[Big]

How old is he?
As for "he has his diet down", well, if he is 5'11" and 185lbs and wants to bulk, then his diet isn't "down". His diet is apparently sufficient to make him 185lbs, at that height he is far from his maximum gentetic potential.
In any event, provide his age his pct knowledge and we can go from there.

[GT2]

How old is he?
As for "he has his diet down", well, if he is 5'11" and 185lbs and wants to bulk, then his diet isn't "down". His diet is apparently sufficient to make him 185lbs, at that height he is far from his maximum gentetic potential.
In any event, provide his age his pct knowledge and we can go from there.

[tigerfan18]

Like I said, he eats six+ times a day like the PT told him, and from what I have seen it looks a lot like some of the bulking diets on here, he just can't seem to add mass. We have worked out together for years, and he has always put forth more effort than most everyone we worked out with, and had far less impresive results. He's going on 21, but knows much less about PCT than he needs too. I was going to print him out some stuff, but I need to resarch that a lot more so I can give him some good info.

[agentV]

For some reason, most of the people on this forum seem to be serious assholes. I didn't say a damn thing bout his diet. He has it down. Ever since high school when we played football together he has been on a special diet that our trainer put him on because he had problems putting on muscle. The reason that i am asking for him is because he works on a gas pipelin in the middle of nowhere and has few chances to get online (even if he did, it would be on a shared computer, and steroid research might not be a very smart thing to look up). I need some help, because if I can't convince him that there are better things, he's gonna buy some deca off an asshole he knows down there.

If some of the people here (who should have some pretty usefull opinions) want to help me instead of making smartass comments, I would appreciate it a great deal. Otherwise, I'm going to have to find help somewhere else.

Chill dude us newbies are bound to take some flack, no need to take it to heart, people just like being funny. These forums would be b***x to read if we all take it too seriously.

[GT2]

Like I said, he eats six+ times a day like the PT told him, and from what I have seen it looks a lot like some of the bulking diets on here, he just can't seem to add mass. We have worked out together for years, and he has always put forth more effort than most everyone we worked out with, and had far less impresive results. He's going on 21, but knows much less about PCT than he needs too. I was going to print him out some stuff, but I need to resarch that a lot more so I can give him some good info.

Hard work in the gym is only 1/3 of the puzzle.
His diet is obviously below par if he can't gain weight. And no offence, PT's, in alot of cases, have very little clue on training/building muscle/diet. You're better off printing him out a bulking diet from the diet thread.

With steroids, and with anything in life for that matter, knowledge is power!

[Big]

Hard work in the gym is only 1/3 of the puzzle.
His diet is obviously below par if he can't gain weight. And no offence, PT's, in alot of cases, have very little clue on training/building muscle/diet. You're better off printing him out a bulking diet from the diet thread.

With steroids, and with anything in life for that matter, knowledge is power!

agreed.
additionally what everyone in this field should understand is that the diet required to attain a certain weight would also be required to maintain said weight. once someone reaches their genetic potential (although this seldom happens) they may use steroids to break through that plateau, but still keeping that weight will be an issue. In this case, he has not met his genetic potential and his diet is sub-par, so if he woke up tomorrow with an added 20lbs of muscle he would immediately start losing it, day by day, until he was once again 185lbs.

[tigerfan18]

Hard work in the gym is only 1/3 of the puzzle.
His diet is obviously below par if he can't gain weight. And no offence, PT's, in alot of cases, have very little clue on training/building muscle/diet. You're better off printing him out a bulking diet from the diet thread.

With steroids, and with anything in life for that matter, knowledge is power!

Well, normally I don't like PTs very much, but this guy was a good player back in the day, and bulked up pretty well. I also knew a guy who was friends with my bro that got huge on a similar diet. That being said, I have seem some bulking diets with more calories that I have printed out for him to try. Sometimes I wonder if his job has anything to do with him not gaining much weight. He works long hours in the heat some days, but he had the same problem in high school. I dunno.

Either way, this guy's one of those that rarely listens to what most people tell him. I'm still trying to convence him that he doesn't need anything, but if that doesn't work, I need a serious backup plan.

[GT2]

Well, normally I don't like PTs very much, but this guy was a good player back in the day, and bulked up pretty well. I also knew a guy who was friends with my bro that got huge on a similar diet. That being said, I have seem some bulking diets with more calories that I have printed out for him to try. Sometimes I wonder if his job has anything to do with him not gaining much weight. He works long hours in the heat some days, but he had the same problem in high school. I dunno.

Either way, this guy's one of those that rarely listens to what most people tell him. I'm still trying to convence him that he doesn't need anything, but if that doesn't work, I need a serious backup plan.

If it comes to that, which I'm sure it will because I know alot of stubborn people that match that description, then the back-up plan should be to make sure he does a 10-12 week TEST E (NOT DECA) 500mg/week cycle, shooting preferably twice a week to maintain stable blood levels, AND ensuring he carries out a proper PCT.

But, you can jab yourself all you like, if your diet (including post-cycle diet) sucks, you won't grow.

[jstraw428]

So just tell him to do it, an quit wasting our time.....Why are you doing reseach for a friend that is not even going to listen to you........He needs to do the rsearch himself.....

[JiGGaMaN]

Get too big on it......
Hahahaha, thats funny, made my day.

same here. if only...

[testy1975]

ya my buddy was taking 400mgs of test did not gain a pound. i told him he doesnt eat enough{wich he deosnt} but according to him he does. i lived with him for a month he eats quality but to little. so point is,dont eat no growth, n o matter how much juice you take. and he wondered how i was growing of a 100mgs a week. trt.eat eat eat eat.lol. oh and final outcome juice is not for me i guess my bodys weird,dumb ass.

[tigerfan18]

If it comes to that, which I'm sure it will because I know alot of stubborn people that match that description, then the back-up plan should be to make sure he does a 10-12 week TEST E (NOT DECA) 500mg/week cycle, shooting preferably twice a week to maintain stable blood levels, AND ensuring he carries out a proper PCT.

But, you can jab yourself all you like, if your diet (including post-cycle diet) sucks, you won't grow.

Thanks. As far as PCT goes, would just nolva do the trick, or would he need more?

[tigerfan18]

ya my buddy was taking 400mgs of test did not gain a pound. i told him he doesnt eat enough{wich he deosnt} but according to him he does. i lived with him for a month he eats quality but to little. so point is,dont eat no growth, n o matter how much juice you take. and he wondered how i was growing of a 100mgs a week. trt.eat eat eat eat.lol. oh and final outcome juice is not for me i guess my bodys weird,dumb ass.

Yeah, my buddy swears that everything is how it should be (sleep, eating, workouts), but I don't live near him so I don't really know for sure. Of course, I've seen this guy eat like a madman and not gain a pound (back in jr. high he would get up at 3am some nights, eat 3 big oatmeal pies, drink a huge glass of milk and go back to sleep and stayed thin).

[JiGGaMaN]

If you party a couple nights a week, thatll kill your gains as well.

[stallion_1]

After deciding against using myself, I had a friend decide that he was dead set on using. He has never used steroids before and was going to buy some deca. I told to hold up and that deca was a bad idea. Now he is looking for an alternative. By the way he's talking, he's gonna use no matter what I tell him. Since I can't stop him, i guess the next best thing is to make sure he does it right.

He's about 5'11 185 and pretty low bf%. He is wanting to add some size, but not too much. I've read that Test E was a good first time cycle, but don't know if it would make him too big.

just admit the friend is ye

[LATS60]

For some reason, most of the people on this forum seem to be serious assholes. I didn't say a damn thing bout his diet. He has it down. Ever since high school when we played football together he has been on a special diet that our trainer put him on because he had problems putting on muscle. The reason that i am asking for him is because he works on a gas pipelin in the middle of nowhere and has few chances to get online (even if he did, it would be on a shared computer, and steroid research might not be a very smart thing to look up). I need some help, because if I can't convince him that there are better things, he's gonna buy some deca off an asshole he knows down there.

If some of the people here (who should have some pretty usefull opinions) want to help me instead of making smartass comments, I would appreciate it a great deal. Otherwise, I'm going to have to find help somewhere else.

First off mate that was blatantly a joke, followed by mine.
"MOST of the people on here are arseholes" now thats not very nice, i would imagine the ones that aren't aresholes could feel well aggreived by that statement and rightly so.

[UrRoyalHighness]

sry bro but he needs to do his own research.

[JiGGaMaN]

For some reason, most of the people on this forum seem to be serious assholes. I didn't say a damn thing bout his diet. He has it down. Ever since high school when we played football together he has been on a special diet that our trainer put him on because he had problems putting on muscle. The reason that i am asking for him is because he works on a gas pipelin in the middle of nowhere and has few chances to get online (even if he did, it would be on a shared computer, and steroid research might not be a very smart thing to look up). I need some help, because if I can't convince him that there are better things, he's gonna buy some deca off an asshole he knows down there.

If some of the people here (who should have some pretty usefull opinions) want to help me instead of making smartass comments, I would appreciate it a great deal. Otherwise, I'm going to have to find help somewhere else.

Tell him its not a good idea to shut down his test and get erectile dysfunction. That would be embarrassing. This is regarding using only deca.

[burnin69]

how does he get ahold of his gear if hes on a pipeline in the middle of nowhere? I can imagine it'll be hard to get his PCT compounds aswell.

[GT2]

Thanks. As far as PCT goes, would just nolva do the trick, or would he need more?

Running nolva for 40/40/20/20 is common, however many would argue that this is not an OPTIMAL pct, although it will get the job done.