questions about Durabolin/NPP first real cycle

[MR_T]

Hi bros I have been researching Nandrolone Phenylpropionate because I am prone to hairloss and need something with very mild androgenic sides. Here are my questions. The main reason I like this better than the decanoate ester because I'm not a fan of the infamous water retention, more keepable gains and I have read it is easier on post cycle recovery. The plan would be to inject durabolin EOD with HRT doses of test to keep the hairloss to a minimum.

Here are my questions
Would 300mg/week of durabolin/NPP be a good dose injected EOD? this stuff gets pretty expensive at 100mg/cc, would I be better off going with good-ol deca at 500mg/week for cheaper?

If I were to do a 10 week cycle, would I need to run test for 2 more weeks like deca or am I good since its a much shorter ester?

Is it safe to include nolvadex for pct? Ive read conflicting answers because of the progestin issue, I got my hands on some indan nolvadex for free and would like to use it if I can.

what would be a good HRT dose of test, I'm thinking hairloss should be minimum with 200-400mg of test c/week, I plan on using nizoral and adding propecia if necessary

thanks bros, my stats are as follows.
6' tall, 195 lbs with 11-12% bf, been lifting seriously for a couple of years, really good diet the last 6 months gained about 10lbs naturally. Diet is still a work in progress because I have to eat out the days I work but is modeled after mikexxl's lean bulk diet with a few changes, will post in the diet forum

cycle history
tried omandren when I was 19, ~4 years ago and discontinued after 3 weeks because of family issues and hair loss, In fact I still have 8 ampules of non expired omna from that cycle, no pct didn't keep any of the gains. I plan to start cycle dec 15th (winter break) and would like to hit 210-215 after pct with same bf.

I know some people are going to tell me to man up and live with the hairloss but I like my hair and want to hold on to it as long as possible, please be nice. Im not tryin to look like godzila, just need to put on a whole more mass so I actually look like I work out. guys at the gym come to me all the time and say wow when they see me squat 350lbs but you cant even tell i work out when I wear a dress shirt.

sorry for the long ass post

[one8nine]

Hi bros I have been researching Nandrolone Phenylpropionate because I am prone to hairloss and need something with very mild androgenic sides. Here are my questions. The main reason I like this better than the decanoate ester because I'm not a fan of the infamous water retention, more keepable gains and I have read it is easier on post cycle recovery. The plan would be to inject durabolin EOD with HRT doses of test to keep the hairloss to a minimum.

it has a 4.5 day active life it needs to be used ED

Here are my questions
Would 300mg/week of durabolin/NPP be a good dose injected EOD? this stuff gets pretty expensive at 100mg/cc, would I be better off going with good-ol deca at 500mg/week for cheaper?

if its expensive youre getting ripped off it should be in the bottom 10% mg for mg compared to all gear.
if deca cheaper get that.

If I were to do a 10 week cycle, would I need to run test for 2 more weeks like deca or am I good since its a much shorter ester?

what test? you can run it 1 week past test e. but you gotta run it 1 week less than test p. point being you need to cut it 1 week before pct.

Is it safe to include nolvadex for pct? Ive read conflicting answers because of the progestin issue, I got my hands on some indan nolvadex for free and would like to use it if I can.

yes nolva should be the base of all pct. pct doesnt start til nandro is out your system.

what would be a good HRT dose of test, I'm thinking hairloss should be minimum with 200-400mg of test c/week, I plan on using nizoral and adding propecia if necessary

200mg wk of test c is good but why not use 25mg ed of test p if youre injecting npp ed?

[MR_T]

thanks bro you answered a lot of my questions, just one more is NPP better than deca in any way? Ive read it is better for water retentions, more quality gains(more retainabel after pct), easer recovery after cycle... is there any truth to that?

I know price discussions are against the rules so all I can say is the NPP is 2/3rd the price of same amount of deca but 1/3 the concentration, not worth it if there is no advantage

the reason I am using test c is because I got my hands of 3 10cc 200mg/cc vials already for a great price. I also have 8 amps of omnas and a lot of nolva and clomid. I guess making friends with the juicers at my gym payed off

heres what i have planned
weeks 1-10 50mg NPP ED - 350mg/week
weeks 1-10 50mg test c ED - 350mg/week
weeks 13-16 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
weeks 13-16 Nolva 20mg/ED

would I be better off replacing the NPP with deca as follows
weeks 1-10 275mg(1cc) Deca X2 - 550mg/week
weeks 1-10 200mg test c X2 - 400mg/week
weeks 13-16 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
weeks 13-16 Nolva 20mg/ED

and may be adding HCG, does this look good? the plan is a lean bulk, would be very happy with 15 solid lbs

[MR_T]

a quote of some of the claims about NPP

Shorter esters usually release much more active hormone per mg than longer esters, and of course, allow the drug’s effects to leave your system more quickly.. Surprisingly NPP (Durabolin) and ND (Deca) release almost the same amount of active nandrolone per 100mgs: 69% and 65% respectively; this does not correlate exactly though because blood levels of nandrolone are much higher (about doubled) post NPP usage compared to the same 100mg dose of ND. (see chart) NPP also has more distinct advantages over ND. One of the most common complaints about adding ND (Deca) to a cycle is the water retention that accompanies its use.(3) Gains from NPP are reported to be “clean” with minimal water retention and fat gain. While ND is usually used in “bulking” cycles, NPP is used in “cutting” cycles although either drug can be used in either regard. Being an oil based anabolic it is injected intramuscularly (into the muscle), many users inject it ED or EOD, however NPP can administered E4D without problems.

[one8nine]

thanks bro you answered a lot of my questions, just one more is NPP better than deca in any way? Ive read it is better for water retentions, more quality gains(more retainabel after pct), easer recovery after cycle... is there any truth to that?

somewhat.
10 weeks of deca injections means pct starts week 13. but deca takes a while to kick in so you only enjoy the peak 5 weeks.
on the other hand run npp 6 weeks start pct week 8, you are suppressed much longer but still get 5 weeks at peak.

I know price discussions are against the rules so all I can say is the NPP is 2/3rd the price of same amount of deca but 1/3 the concentration, not worth it if there is no advantage

thats kinda confusing but 100mg of deca should cost about the same as 100mg of npp. maybe slightly higher but not really anything significant.

the reason I am using test c is because I got my hands of 3 10cc 200mg/cc vials already for a great price. I also have 8 amps of omnas and a lot of nolva and clomid. I guess making friends with the juicers at my gym payed off

nice reason.

heres what i have planned
weeks 1-10 50mg NPP ED - 350mg/week
weeks 1-10 50mg test c ED - 350mg/week
weeks 13-16 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
weeks 13-16 Nolva 20mg/ED

you need an AI like proviron or aromasin. also with that much 19 nor hcg could be smart too.

would I be better off replacing the NPP with deca as follows
weeks 1-10 275mg(1cc) Deca X2 - 550mg/week
weeks 1-10 200mg test c X2 - 400mg/week
weeks 13-16 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
weeks 13-16 Nolva 20mg/ED

#1 will be more stable with more results imo

and may be adding HCG, does this look good? the plan is a lean bulk, would be very happy with 15 solid lbs

with a solid diet i would expect a 20-25lb gain imo

[MR_T]

back again with one more question.. thanks for all the help one8nine, I've read conflicting info is 4.5 days the halflife or active life? I guess what im asking is can I get away with EOD injections? should i?

thanks again bro youve been a lot of help

[DS21]

back again with one more question.. thanks for all the help one8nine, I've read conflicting info is 4.5 days the halflife or active life? I guess what im asking is can I get away with EOD injections? should i?

thanks again bro youve been a lot of help

You can get away with it, but it is better to do ed.

[DS21]

thanks bro you answered a lot of my questions, just one more is NPP better than deca in any way? Ive read it is better for water retentions, more quality gains(more retainabel after pct), easer recovery after cycle... is there any truth to that?

I know price discussions are against the rules so all I can say is the NPP is 2/3rd the price of same amount of deca but 1/3 the concentration, not worth it if there is no advantage

the reason I am using test c is because I got my hands of 3 10cc 200mg/cc vials already for a great price. I also have 8 amps of omnas and a lot of nolva and clomid. I guess making friends with the juicers at my gym payed off

heres what i have planned
weeks 1-10 50mg NPP ED - 350mg/week
weeks 1-10 50mg test c ED - 350mg/week
weeks 13-16 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
weeks 13-16 Nolva 20mg/ED

would I be better off replacing the NPP with deca as follows
weeks 1-10 275mg(1cc) Deca X2 - 550mg/week
weeks 1-10 200mg test c X2 - 400mg/week
weeks 13-16 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
weeks 13-16 Nolva 20mg/ED

and may be adding HCG, does this look good? the plan is a lean bulk, would be very happy with 15 solid lbs

I would run the first one for more quality gains, but test c ed?? Is there a reason behind that?

[MR_T]

I would run the first one for more quality gains, but test c ed?? Is there a reason behind that?

I already have the test and thought why not mix it in with the npp, 1/2 cc of each so I can shoot delts/bis too

[MR_T]

did even more research.. going to do an npp/test c cycle starting dec 15th, going to keep you guys updated

[one8nine]

You can get away with it, but it is better to do ed.

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