first cycle

**eaz135** · 08-24-2008, 07:10 AM

hey guys

im 20 years old, turning 21 soon. i have been working at a gym for about 2 years now. been training for about 3 years but properly for maybe the past year. started at 105kg (fat), cut down to 76kg, bulked up to 95kg,cut down to 86kg,now bulked up to 92kg all naturally.
as you can see i have done several cuts and bulks before naturally so i think i have the knowledge of experience in training and dieting.
i have been considering for a while now if i should get on the gear to help me bulk up. im 6 foot 2 so im looking to eventually weigh in at about 105kg / 231lb, i think thats a good weight for my height.

working in a gym i have been exposed to a lot of people sharing their ideas about cycles and i have had a lot of varying opinions.

i ended up buying myself the following stuff

20mg test enanthate
100 blue heart dbols
60x nolvadex
100x proviron

i got 20mg of test because thats what i calculated that i needed for a 10 week cycle, which is what i find to be recommended on the forums. however i have been having a lot of people saying to me that they prefer to take shorter cycles more often than taking long cycles. people are suggesting that i take a 6 week cycle of test + dbol the whole way through. take about a month to 2 months off then get back on it. they have been saying that if i take a 10 week cycle i will find that my gains will slow down by week 7 anyway and i will just be wasting my test.
is this true, should i take a shorter cycle or should i just stick with the typical 10 week cycle of 500mg test e / week ?

**RANA** · 08-24-2008, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by eaz135

hey guys

im 20 years old, turning 21 soon. i have been working at a gym for about 2 years now. been training for about 3 years but properly for maybe the past year. started at 105kg (fat), cut down to 76kg, bulked up to 95kg,cut down to 86kg,now bulked up to 92kg all naturally.
as you can see i have done several cuts and bulks before naturally so i think i have the knowledge of experience in training and dieting.
i have been considering for a while now if i should get on the gear to help me bulk up. im 6 foot 2 so im looking to eventually weigh in at about 105kg / 231lb, i think thats a good weight for my height.

working in a gym i have been exposed to a lot of people sharing their ideas about cycles and i have had a lot of varying opinions.

i ended up buying myself the following stuff

20mg test enanthate
100 blue heart dbols
60x nolvadex
100x proviron

i got 20mg of test because thats what i calculated that i needed for a 10 week cycle, which is what i find to be recommended on the forums. however i have been having a lot of people saying to me that they prefer to take shorter cycles more often than taking long cycles. people are suggesting that i take a 6 week cycle of test + dbol the whole way through. take about a month to 2 months off then get back on it. they have been saying that if i take a 10 week cycle i will find that my gains will slow down by week 7 anyway and i will just be wasting my test.
is this true, should i take a shorter cycle or should i just stick with the typical 10 week cycle of 500mg test e / week ?

What is your bf%?
BTW, those people are giving you bad advise. With Test E and 6 weeks you will just start feeling the results by 3-4 week. What have your friends said about PCT? Look at taking Nolva and Clomid.
On you 1st cycle think about going 12 weeks with Test E (500 mg PW shot every 3.5 days) and 4 weeks of DBOL 40mg ED.

**eaz135** · 08-24-2008, 08:42 AM

ive been doing a natural bulk so my bodyfat has gone up a bit. at the end of my last cut i was getting really lean, about 9% or so. ive got a bit of fat on me now, can still see some ab definition but its no where near as clear cut as they were before. so im guessing im around 14% now?
ive got some nolvadex and proviron waiting on my desk.

**one8nine** · 08-24-2008, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by eaz135

ive been doing a natural bulk so my bodyfat has gone up a bit. at the end of my last cut i was getting really lean, about 9% or so. ive got a bit of fat on me now, can still see some ab definition but its no where near as clear cut as they were before. so im guessing im around 14% now?
ive got some nolvadex and proviron waiting on my desk.

nolva/proviron in a great pct
can you get you bf tested? the lower it is the better results you get, and less side effects.

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 11:33 AM

If you can still see ab def. you likely have a BF% lower that 14...

189 is always squared away, the lower the BF%, the better results and less sides!

**wizard1997** · 08-24-2008, 11:46 AM

Im in the process of ordering a cycle. Had a prevoius in hand, buy wife trashed it. Long story.
I desided on reordering Testosterone Propionate . Does anyone have a copy of a good 1st cycle along with a pct for me to use?

**Jfew44** · 08-24-2008, 11:47 AM

If you bought 20mg, I'd just take the test at 500mg/week for 10 weeks (assuming its dosed at 250mg/ml). No need to go buy more as you have enough for a 10 weeks. Looks like a solid cycle bro.

**Jfew44** · 08-24-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by wizard1997

Im in the process of ordering a cycle. Had a prevoius in hand, buy wife trashed it. Long story.
I desided on reordering Testosterone Propionate. Does anyone have a copy of a good 1st cycle along with a pct for me to use?

How bout we dont

**arenawarrior** · 08-24-2008, 11:49 AM

prop 75mg ed 8 weeks
15ml letro
proviron /nolva

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 11:51 AM

Start your own thread Wizard... ^^^ Dont encourage highjacking bro...

**one8nine** · 08-24-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by wizard1997

Im in the process of ordering a cycle. Had a prevoius in hand, buy wife trashed it. Long story.
I desided on reordering Testosterone Propionate. Does anyone have a copy of a good 1st cycle along with a pct for me to use?

why dont you lean enough about the drugs you wanna take so you can make your own cycle of the drugs you wanna put in your body

**eaz135** · 08-24-2008, 06:56 PM

if it helps to be at lower bodyfat should i do a mini 4-6 week cut to get back into single digit bf% before i start my cycle? although im afraid of loosing hard earned muscle in this cut

right now i just want more size

**one8nine** · 08-24-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by eaz135

if it helps to be at lower bodyfat should i do a mini 4-6 week cut to get back into single digit bf% before i start my cycle? although im afraid of loosing hard earned muscle in this cut

right now i just want more size

if you get the right diet there is no reason you cant gain muscle and lose fat at the same time