injections vs. oral

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 08:38 PM

hello all my question is what is going to give me better results an injectable or an oral and what should i be stacking with...i have been doing some studying but to me the best advice is the advice that comes from the ones that have tested most likely the same therories as others have thought about and have had great results of their own...can someone give me some good advice i would be greatful.

**WARMachine** · 08-26-2008, 08:50 PM

It depends bro... This is a very hard question to answer... Most people take both... Oral's are more toxic than most injectibles...

All Oral cycles, are never a great idea... Besides Var only, and this is most commonly used as a bridge...

Like i said this is a question with many variables, it is nearly impossible to answer...

If your question is really you looking for advice on what kinda cycle to do, a great beginner cycle is Test E.

Im not sure what else to say, sorry...

Maybe other will chime in?

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 08:52 PM

all right here is were i stand, i am wanting to mix injections with an oral...what should i stack with, something that has proven to be most effective

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 08:55 PM

i am already in decent shape but want to add about 15 to 25 pounds to my frame can you give me some examples of the different stacks taht maybe you yourself have used, you know it is always better to get good advice from someone who has already tested a therory and works

**one8nine** · 08-26-2008, 09:21 PM

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

**mkrulic** · 08-26-2008, 09:25 PM

how do you compare injects w/ orals? are you comparing test e w/ dbol or inject dbol w/ oral dbol. what are we talking about here?

**WARMachine** · 08-26-2008, 09:32 PM

I dont think he has a clue mkrulic...

Answer 189's questions Del... Well go from there...

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 09:35 PM

i am trying to figure out what is the better of the two...is an injectable going to give you better results or an oral...and can you mix the two....as you can tell i am new to this, a rookie...not ashamed of it but if i sound ignorant forgive the stupidity....this is were i need some advice....since an injectable only passes through the liver once and an oral takes several passes to process through the liver which one is going to get the better results and can i stack an inject with an oral if so what would be a good combo

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 09:46 PM

age 32
weight 210 pounds
height 6'3
years lifting 3
diet high protein low carbs
bf% 12%
meals per day 3 plus protein shakes 3 a day
cycle experiance 0
pct/ estrogen control knowledge very little
goals increase in mass
i do mixed martial arts
and cardio alot
speed is not a factor for me

how is this to get started? sorry for the ignorance in this subject

**one8nine** · 08-26-2008, 09:59 PM

wow your stats look like mine -5 lbs +bf%

3 meals a day? you need diet help

**mkrulic** · 08-26-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by deliverance

age 32
weight 210 pounds
height 6'3
years lifting 3
diet high protein low carbs
bf% 12%
meals per day 3 plus protein shakes 3 a day
cycle experiance 0
pct/ estrogen control knowledge very little
goals increase in mass
i do mixed martial arts
and cardio alot
speed is not a factor for me

how is this to get started? sorry for the ignorance in this subject

its all good bro. the general consensus here is oral only cycles suck. my view as well. test is your base. diet

**mkrulic** · 08-26-2008, 10:01 PM

do you lift weights?

**WARMachine** · 08-26-2008, 10:07 PM

I agree diet... And 189 and I fight as well...

**one8nine** · 08-26-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

I agree diet... And 189 and I fight as well...

i think imma look up that thread we put like 4 pages on.

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 10:13 PM

yes i hit the gym about 5 days a week this due to were i am at...currently stuck in iraq with my job....so i cram alot down in 3 meals and then take the protein shakes a a meal replacement for missed meals...i know i should be eating about five times a day but tht is nearly impossible at times so i have to substitue...

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 10:15 PM

what art do you two practice...mine is Muy Thai and I am learning some ground game now for about 4 months now

**WARMachine** · 08-26-2008, 10:44 PM

Im a BB in BJJ (if you didnt notice my avatar with my friends goes, and the nog bros) and have been doing muay thai for around 8 years...

Im going to Thailand in Oct. to Jan. to work on my Muay Thai... I have fought most of my career at 170, but my last two have been at 185 and i think im gonna stay there...

I own my own gym as well, 189 has a extensive wrestling backround...

Hes looking for a thread we were talking about this kinda stuff and AAS for MMA...

**one8nine** · 08-26-2008, 10:48 PM

yes im 90% wrestling 9% striking 1% bjj skill wise ha ha.
its so easy for me to end up in side mount, SO easy
no so great from there though ha

**one8nine** · 08-26-2008, 10:49 PM

Fighter looking for the perfect stack
we talk a loott about fighting drugs/diet there

**deliverance** · 08-26-2008, 11:59 PM

i would have to agree nice combos with your techniques....i am trying to improve more on the ground then anywere else snapping limbs and joints has always been a facination of mine since i was little i will have to go to this thread of yours and see what is on