Stack var or dbol in test e cycle?

**halobolic** · 08-27-2008, 04:33 PM

This is my first cycle and im cutting.
cycle: 1-10 400mgs test e/week
1-4 dbol or anavar for kick start?
stats:
150 lbs
age 22
13% bf
5'5

should i stack anavar or dbol for kick start

**testigator** · 08-27-2008, 04:48 PM

I always like to see a TEST only first cycle. No written rule on that but you should grow plenty with TEST only and you can see how your body responds to one drug. If you choose to run a kick start then I would run the dbol . Do you have anti-e on hand and a proper PCT protocal ready? I think you should grow very well on TEST-E alone. Probably get better responses with more detail about you..
-diet
-training experience
-cardio/training split
-goal- I know its a cutter but what is the final goal?

Good luck.

PT · 08-27-2008, 04:53 PM

your only 155lbs so obviously you can gain weight naturally but im sure your going to do what you want so if i were you i would run the above cycle with the d-bol

**magic32** · 08-27-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by PT

your only 155lbs so obviously you can gain weight naturally
but im sure your going to do what you want

Both good points, although the latter is speculative, some guys do actually listen, learn and apply. That said, even at 5'5'' I agree with PT in that some intelligent training, dieting and supplementation could still take you a long way, especially at age 22...you might want to visit these forums.

Additionally, I question your inclusion of Dbol for a cutting cycle, it's not a primary choice with this goal.

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 08-27-2008, 06:23 PM

No dbol . Your diet will have to pretty perfect to cut with dbol.

**magic32** · 08-27-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by *ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*

No dbol . Your diet will have to pretty perfect to cut with dbol.

Even then the estro would overwhelm it, AI's or not. Regardless of how good Dbol is, you'll NEVER see it in a competitor's pre-contest diet...senseless!!!

**halobolic** · 08-28-2008, 02:12 PM

I want to get to under 8% bf and my goal is to be cut as a Bodybuilder.I will be cutting water retention at end.

**halobolic** · 08-28-2008, 02:13 PM

So if im cutting should it be dbol or anavar for kick start?

**halobolic** · 08-28-2008, 02:15 PM

Why does everyone tell me diet to gain weight. I want MUSCLE MUSCLE MUSCLE only not weight.Steroids are way easier to gain muscle w/o fat.

**redz** · 08-28-2008, 02:20 PM

People are saying your diet sucks and if it isnt fixedthen the effectiveness of the steroids will be greatly reduced. Steroids may be very effective but they are not magic and you need to be firing on all cylindres.(DIET,SUPPLEMENTS,TRAINING,STEROIDS)

**WARMachine** · 08-28-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by halobolic

Why does everyone tell me diet to gain weight. I want MUSCLE MUSCLE MUSCLE only not weight.Steroids are way easier to gain muscle w/o fat.

AH HA!!!

"Steroids are way easier to gain muscle w/o fat"

Easier than what? Dieting and Training hard?

Trust me dude, if you think AAS is an easy way to gain muscle, youre gonna be rather disappointned!

Especaily when you lose whatever minimal gains you get after your cycle ends...

But, it is what it is...

Your problem is one that can be solved by Diet, not Gear.

**halobolic** · 08-28-2008, 02:36 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i didnt say that its easier to gain muscle i said muscle W/O fat do take a piece of a sentence i wrote. And no not easy to gain muscle but IF you train hard on gear then results are much quicker.

**mkrulic** · 08-28-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by halobolic

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i didnt say that its easier to gain muscle i said muscle W/O fat do take a piece of a sentence i wrote. And no not easy to gain muscle but IF you train hard on gear then results are much quicker.

your results will be garbage w/o proper diet. post total cals/pro/carb/fat.
if you dont have these numbers youre not ready for a cycle

**halobolic** · 08-28-2008, 03:18 PM

OK.
calories 2,500 its good dont even judge i only burn 2000 cals a day
pro 250g
carbs 200g
fat 70g

**mkrulic** · 08-28-2008, 03:52 PM

your maintance cals are at least 2500. how many times do you eat a day?

**redz** · 08-28-2008, 03:54 PM

OK.
calories 2,500 its good dont even judge i only burn 2000 cals a day
pro 250g
carbs 200g
fat 70g

You need to eat an additional 1000 cals per day to bulk up. You have a poor attitude and wont get far without changing it.

**wmrebel** · 08-28-2008, 04:33 PM

redz if you read his post he's not looking to bulk up. he said his goal was to cut.

**halobolic** · 08-28-2008, 05:21 PM

I am going to cut but now im bulking naturally.And 2500 isnt maintance.I used a bmr calculator for what i burn a day 1600 is bmr and 400 plus for walking and shit and lifting.So maintance is what you eat say i eat 100 cals and burn 100 a day then 100 cals is my maintance or enough to stay at same weight. 2500 is 500 over what i burn 500 is extra a day to gain a pound a week.This is working(to gain fat which i dont want)i went from 140 to 150 in 2 months all fat not a inch to any part so i know what im talking about.i eat 6 times a day.

**mkrulic** · 08-28-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by halobolic

I am going to cut but now im bulking naturally.And 2500 isnt maintance.I used a bmr calculator for what i burn a day 1600 is bmr and 400 plus for walking and shit and lifting.So maintance is what you eat say i eat 100 cals and burn 100 a day then 100 cals is my maintance or enough to stay at same weight. 2500 is 500 over what i burn 500 is extra a day to gain a pound a week.This is working(to gain fat which i dont want)i went from 140 to 150 in 2 months all fat not a inch to any part so i know what im talking about.i eat 6 times a day.

sounds good. keep a log and see how this works out.