*URGENT* First time, What cycle should i use

[Harleydeuce]

This is my first time using juice. I am 19, 5'8'' 190lbs. I have the muscle but have always had a proublem getting cut. I dont mind gaining more mass but i would like to be more defined at the same time. Right now i have Test, Super test, Winstrol, dbol, an anabol available to me. What would the best single or combo be for me to cycle on? Also should i use anything with these during the cycle or after the cycle. If i should are they available over the counter?

[one8nine]

this isnt urgent

bf%?
steroids build muscle
diet cuts fat

diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355744
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6
http://www.steroid.com/diet.php

clen FAQ
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=117106

t3 threads
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=766
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=148467

DNP FAQ
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1182

[smokeyd]

im going to guess he doesnt even need to think about clicking url number 8 lol

["Maximus"]

I guess you didn't even worry about doing some reading/research first, eh?... lol!

[Harleydeuce]

i know that diets burn fat and steroids build muscle and strength. I plan on dieting right when I am training. I am just asking what cycle will work best in people's opinion. and it is urgent because my supplier is leaving for college half way across the country and I only have 2 days until he leaves. I am roughly 17%bf. Even when i was at my peak shape during my football career i could never get that tone that i was looking for. My workouts are intense and i eat right but it seems like its a family thing that we just dont get toned. I was told that dbols work the best if you are looking for tone but then i see on here that many are against them so please help.

[inky-e]

Good God!!! You're only 19 yrs old Bro...you can wait till your source finishes college in lets say 4-5 years to start juicing!

[VR4]

Your too young to be using steroids. And if your 19, you never had a football career. And d bol is the absolute worst steroid possible to get cut. You have done no research. Start reading something before you ask us to spoon feed you.

["Maximus"]

i know that diets burn fat and steroids build muscle and strength. I plan on dieting right when I am training. I am just asking what cycle will work best in people's opinion. and it is urgent because my supplier is leaving for college half way across the country and I only have 2 days until he leaves. I am roughly 17%bf. Even when i was at my peak shape during my football career i could never get that tone that i was looking for. My workouts are intense and i eat right but it seems like its a family thing that we just dont get toned. I was told that dbols work the best if you are looking for tone but then i see on here that many are against them so please help.

Ok... first, you're not dieting right so just that alone has the potential to trash out whatever cycle you put together.

Second bold... that's BS mate! Diet right and stick to well sound workout routine and you'll be impressed. Discipline, constancy, and determination in dieting right and proper training influences on one's genetics... eat poorly, look poorly; same for training.

Welcome to the boards!

[Harleydeuce]

umm if u read right i said that i heard from this site that mostly everyone is against dbols. All the my fellow high school players used dbols to get cut but i know that u r all against them. I will repeat that i know u r against them. Im jus lookin for some advice. I looked at the effectiveness chats on many the websites. Winstrol looks to e the worse as in side effects. I jus wanted to take something that would aid me. And yes i do diet. I have not seen a fast food joint since before i started highschool i am now almost 20. I eat all red meats, chicken, and fish. I stay away from fats as much as possible. I lift 3-4 times a week while running 2 miles a day and i might be losing weight but you cant see it. Definition has always been a proublem for me, my pops, and my older bro. So i wanted to beat the proublem.

[mkrulic]

umm if u read right i said that i heard from this site that mostly everyone is against dbols. All the my fellow high school players used dbols to get cut but i know that u r all against them. I will repeat that i know u r against them. Im jus lookin for some advice. I looked at the effectiveness chats on many the websites. Winstrol looks to e the worse as in side effects. I jus wanted to take something that would aid me. And yes i do diet. I have not seen a fast food joint since before i started highschool i am now almost 20. I eat all red meats, chicken, and fish. I stay away from fats as much as possible. I lift 3-4 times a week while running 2 miles a day and i might be losing weight but you cant see it. Definition has always been a proublem for me, my pops, and my older bro. So i wanted to beat the proublem.

what we are telling you is that you dont need aas to reach the goals you have set. staying out of fast food rest is a far cry from having a descent diet. post what you normally eat. do you know how many total cals/pro/carb/fat? w/o these numbers we have a hard time believing you have a handle on diet

[marcus300]

You dont need AAS at your age. In humans your Endocrine system is not full functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates alittle bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with syptoms of andropause and HRT for life would only be the answer to your problems. Limp dick,low libido,depression,low energy,low endurance,erections problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

At this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and dont take the risk of damage, i am passionate about this because ive seen it many times all because some young kids wont listen and think his answer to looking like his heros is in an injection/tablet. thsink about the damage and trust me you can build at this age if the diet and training is in order.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

[chitownhoker]

if you really want something to take on your first cycle do a cycle of 12 weeks of Test at 400/week and and for weeks 7-12 take winstrol...do you have pct...look at this link

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354573

the test will help you build the muscle and the winstrol will aid in hardening you up at the end of your cycle to give you that cut look.

i still don't think you should do it, but try this

best of luck

[mkrulic]

^^^you dont think he should try aas so your going to design him a cycle?

[WARMachine]

^^ agreed...

[Harleydeuce]

Marcus i am really thinking about what you said and thank you all for your concern. I am trying to do all my research before i make a decision on which juice/s to do or whether or not to do. I will consider all the options and this is why i made this to get all the information. My next question is if i decided to start a cycle what would you recomend to take during or after the cycle as in estrogens or whatever. Ive been trying to look at the forums but there are many different opinions. If i do this i wanna do it right!

[PT]

another words your going to run a cycle no matter what marcus or anyone else says right?

[Harleydeuce]

i told you i wanna get all the facts on what to us and not to use then reasearch all of the products individually. Trust me when i say that i have not made my decision. I have been debating this since last summer so as of now im still undecided. But i just want to know what i would use during or after the cycle such as nolva or estrogens

[Booz]

another words your going to run a cycle no matter what marcus or anyone else says right?

hell yeah you know he is.....................

[jstraw428]

Guys come on, his source leaves to go back to school in like two days.....we must tell him the secret to a perfect cycle using dbols to cut......LOL

Dont do it kid.......stick around here, and do your research....a couple of years worth....in the meantime, train harder, eat better