cycle ruined fake gear

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 10:28 AM

starting 5th week and nothing so i am stopping my cycle wont waste more money and time,it was a test deca cycle 500mg test and 200 mg deca but the deca is fake,was looking to run anthony roberts pct or will nolva alone be enough? thanks

**LATS60** · 08-29-2008, 10:36 AM

How do you know the deca is fake, i don't have a clue what ar's pct is, but after such a short cycle nolva or better clomid should be enough.

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 10:53 AM

no gains,no increase in appetite,no increase in strength,,etc

BG · 08-29-2008, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

no gains,no increase in appetite,no increase in strength,,etc

PM me the brand please.

**LATS60** · 08-29-2008, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

no gains,no increase in appetite,no increase in strength,,etc

Just what were you expecting, 200mg deca wk is a very low dose.
I always think 200mg is pretty much a waste, why not just carry your cycle through and up the deca or drop it all together.

**mkrulic** · 08-29-2008, 11:17 AM

^^^was thinking the same thing. could help w/ joint relief at this dose but not mass gain. the test should have kicked in tho. in about 2 weeks I woul notice a little strength and size from a dose of test like that.

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 11:34 AM

i am gonna drop it all together cause i dont have the sources nor the money to up my dose at that point,i am from egypt and egyptian organon deca production was stopped for some issues with the egyptian ministry of health so it ****ed my cycle all over and seems that their issue aint gonna be solved soon,it was kinda of the gold standard here cause its cheap and 100% legal no fakes,most other decas are fake and way expensive so i am stopping it for now i am afraid..what pct should i be runing,will i need pregnyl? thanks

**MuscleSportMag** · 08-29-2008, 11:40 AM

I'm curious as to you came to the decision that the deca was bunk gear and not the test. 5 weeks or more is not an abnormally long time for deca to kick. To stop the entire cycle now would be wrong. Stay with it, and if one or even both are bad, then you'll know to stay away from that source.

Another thing is the amount of calories, protein and meals spread out throughout the day. RU getting enough?

**jstraw428** · 08-29-2008, 11:46 AM

should have never started a cycle without having all your gear neded to complete it properly.....200mg/wk of deca is a complete waste.....would be better off just running the test, and doing it properly.....

what is your diet like?

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 11:50 AM

my test is legal cause its from a pharmaceuitcal company here in egypt so no fakes are even avilable,thats why i doubt that the deca is the fake,i am not sure if i have to waste more money and time and see how it goes or stop it now,,hard decision to take

**Kratos** · 08-29-2008, 12:01 PM

200mg of deca and you are suprized there are no results?
if you are sure the test is legit why not finish the cycle with test only?

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 12:07 PM

well now i can either stop my deca and run test 2 more weeks then wait another 2 and start pct ,or stop the deca and continue using test only or get more deca fake or not and run it same dose ,well i am not with running test for the rest of the cycle on its own i would rather stop now if it will make my pct easier and hope that i am not shut down bad and run another one when deca production begins again at 400mg but again i am here to hear your advice,thanks

**jstraw428** · 08-29-2008, 12:09 PM

f you think the deca is fake, why the hell would you buy more and continue running it.....talk about a waste of money.....If you are sure the test is real, then i would just get some more test and continue with that.....then run a proper PCT.....not hard....

**Kratos** · 08-29-2008, 12:14 PM

not that your diet shouldn't also be called into question as well as your stats but I would just finish it out test only. or see if I could get some d-bol or something to throw in the mix for a little extra punch.

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 01:08 PM

i will up my calories and protein this week and see how it goes..

**jstraw428** · 08-29-2008, 01:14 PM

post your current diet, and lets check it out....

**mkrulic** · 08-29-2008, 01:20 PM

just curious, what have you heard people say so far?

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by mkrulic

just curious, what have you heard people say so far?

nothing major,just saying that i gained a little bit,on the scale i gained like 3 kilos which is mostly water cause i kicked started using dbols.

**mkrulic** · 08-29-2008, 01:44 PM

Im hearing that there is really no way to determine if your deca is fake because of the amount you ran. also, that it would make sense to finish the test. your diet is also questionable

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 01:50 PM

my diet is in check,i didnt have much strength gains or increase in appetite or even pump since i stopped the dbol ,nothing till now i should have experienced these by now,well maybe its not fake just the dose being too low ,i have taken pics today will post them soon ,,peace

**fitguy** · 08-29-2008, 01:54 PM

i am going to complete this as a 10 week test cycle and a deca 8 weeker and try to get anything out of it hopefully,deca being fake or being just a low dose dunno i will just hope it aint and try to do my best..wish me luck

**jstraw428** · 08-29-2008, 01:55 PM

8 weeks is not long enough for deca ....it should be run about 12wks.......i would just run a simple test cycle......

**one8nine** · 08-29-2008, 03:32 PM

deca takes 5-7 weeks to even peak
and the peak of 200mg wk deca wont be shit anyway

**one8nine** · 08-29-2008, 03:36 PM

deca takes 5-7 weeks to even peak
and the peak of 200mg wk deca wont be shit anyway
its like 40% ester weight 60% hormone anyway

injection frequency
Test Injection Frequency Graphs

ester weight and active lives
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/355998-ester-weight-active-lives.html#post4131783

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-29-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleSportMag

I'm curious as to you came to the decision that the deca was bunk gear and not the test. 5 weeks or more is not an abnormally long time for deca to kick. To stop the entire cycle now would be wrong. Stay with it, and if one or even both are bad, then you'll know to stay away from that source.

Another thing is the amount of calories, protein and meals spread out throughout the day. RU getting enough?

This person is absolutely right. How could you say its fake deca if you are taking test and deca at the same time? How do you know the deca isnt working? I'll tell you right now you cant respond with a reasonable answer to that. If you are taking two compounds at the same time, you cant say one or the other is fake, you dont know that. For all you know the test is fake, or neither are fake, or both are fake. These kinds of posts make me insane.

**AandF6969** · 08-29-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

my diet is in check

How many calories are you eating every day?

**fitguy** · 08-31-2008, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

This person is absolutely right. How could you say its fake deca if you are taking test and deca at the same time? How do you know the deca isnt working? I'll tell you right now you cant respond with a reasonable answer to that. If you are taking two compounds at the same time, you cant say one or the other is fake, you dont know that. For all you know the test is fake, or neither are fake, or both are fake. These kinds of posts make me insane.

test aint fake cause its egyptian test named cidoteston its too ****in cheap to be fake and has a high availability,you can get at any pharmacy all around egypt,never been faked before cause there is no need to anyways.peace

**binder** · 08-31-2008, 06:12 AM

If you think it's fake, why are you worried about running PCT? If its not steroids then it didn't change anything in your body, therefore PCT won't be needed.

that is if the stuff is fake like you think.

**fitguy** · 08-31-2008, 01:34 PM

the deca is fake thats what i am thinking test aint though..

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-31-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

the deca is fake thats what i am thinking test aint though..

You are missing what i am trying to say: If the test is working, theres no way you would know the deca isnt.

**fitguy** · 08-31-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

You are missing what i am trying to say: If the test is working, theres no way you would know the deca isnt.

just look above i already replied to that.thanks

**Dr_BruceBanner** · 08-31-2008, 10:49 PM

That sucks. I've never ran into any fake stuff thankfully. Sorry you lost your money on bad stuff. Could you have it tested somewhere just for your peace of mind?

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-31-2008, 10:58 PM

Yeah, I'm giving up on this one now. I'm going to try this for the last time: You dont know the deca isnt working because it takes at least 5 weeks to kick in, but even so if the test is already kicking in and you are feeling the increased strength and whatnot thats associated with it doesnt mean its not coming from the deca as well. Im going to go shoot myself in the head because this is a really simple concept. Please wrack your brain and try to figure out that what im saying is correct and you are mistaken, no matter how much this upsets you.

**fitguy** · 09-01-2008, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

test aint fake cause its egyptian test named cidoteston its too ****in cheap to be fake and has a high availability,you can get at any pharmacy all around egypt,never been faked before cause there is no need to anyways.peace

read this jiggaman,i completely understand what you are saying but these are the reasons why i believe test aint fake while the deca is,cido tesstones is very available all over egypt and too cheap as well so no need to be faked and never been faked inside egypt before its useless to fake it when its avilable and that cheap,on the other hand the deca is short from pharmacies cause the company doing it stopped its production cause they wanted to increase its prices and the ministry of health didnt agree so they stopped its production to pressure them to agree,i got a deca from a supplier and wasnt sure at first and well till now i cant tell if its fake or not never be too sure from something cause as you said it kicks in around 5th or 6th week but either ways 200mg aint much and i cannot afford to run it at that dose this time,i will wait this week and run it for 6 weeks minimum and see how it works,if at week 6 and i am still the same i will probably run the test 2 more weeks and stop it cold..peace