jabbing question for 2nd cycle

[Bennet87]

Running Deca and Sust. Currently on 2nd week, jabbing each other in the ass:

Sunday - deca (200mg) + sust (200mg)
tues - sust (200mg)
thurs - deca (300mg) + sust (200mg)

Two questions.

1.) Is it ok to only use your ass for all 12 weeks? Or is this a big no-no??

2.) Running deca twice a week in smaller dosages currently, but will I receive the same effects to just do one 500mg hit?

thanks

[abstrack]

1. Yes it is ok. I dont tend to shoot in my glutes, because it is hard to reach around all the time and I cramp up. I like to rotate my injection sites.

2. Yes, you will receive the same effects. I like to space them out also

[one8nine]

cut the deca 1 week before sust
cause pct starts 3 weeks after deca, 2 weeks after sust
imo you should do the sust eod, not take that 2 day break.
eod is already pushing it much less 3 days apart
if youre shooting the test eod why not mix the deca with it? youll be much more stable

[inky-e]

1. Yes it is ok. I dont tend to shoot in my glutes, because it is hard to reach around all the time and I cramp up. I like to rotate my injection sites.

2. Yes, you will receive the same effects. I like to space them out also

^^ agreed

[BuffBuffalo]

I agree with 189, also why don't you just take even amounts of deca instead of taking 200mg once and then 300mg the other time. That would keep your levels more stable too

[abstrack]

cut the deca 1 week before sust
cause pct starts 3 weeks after deca, 2 weeks after sust
imo you should do the sust eod, not take that 2 day break.
eod is already pushing it much less 3 days apart
if youre shooting the test eod why not mix the deca with it? youll be much more stable

Why cut the deca before the sus? They both have the nandrolone ester. Same basic molecular weight (172) & half life (around 15 days). pct would stat the same. The only difference is the deca has nadrolone attached to the deconate ester, and the sus250 has testosterone attached to the decanoate ester. Doesnt make sense to me to stop deca a week before, since they leave the system around the same time.

He is not really shooting his injections "true" eod. If he was, then is injection frequency would be changing on the second week to sat, mon, wed, friday... then back to sun, tues, thur, sat.....I do agree that shooting eod would be better in keeping plasma levels stable.

I thought he was mixing his gear. I could be wrong though??? The only thing he would have to do is equally break up the frequency of the deca.

Sunday - deca (200mg) + sust (200mg)
tues - sust (200mg)
thurs - deca (300mg) + sust (200mg)

Just my .02 ???

BTW...those are some weird strength levels in the gear. I have seen the deca at 200mg/ml and 300mg/ml, but it doesnt make sense to run 200mg on monday, and 300mg on R. not unless he had some Normas and some UG stuff. Also the sus usually comes in 250mg/ml amps or bottles. Must be UG, and I am curious to know the mg/ml of the sus in the individual compounds.

[Phate]

not that it matters now, but i wonder why he didn't just get test enth so he could run deca with it, or use prop and shoot eod or ed and not have to worry about the combinations of mg/mL amount of each of the esters in the blend

[abstrack]

Dont know buddy. I personally think sus sucks. To hard to keep stable and you could get more bang for your buck running a single ester.

[Phate]

Dont know buddy. I personally think sus sucks. To hard to keep stable and you could get more bang for your buck running a single ester.

i totally agree, at least from a biochemist standpoint, kinda hard for me to judge as i've never cycled but from working out the ester break down and blood level stability on paper i don't know why anyone would run sust unless they just got it really cheap

[one8nine]

Why cut the deca before the sus? They both have the nandrolone ester. Same basic molecular weight (172) & half life (around 15 days). pct would stat the same. The only difference is the deca has nadrolone attached to the deconate ester, and the sus250 has testosterone attached to the decanoate ester. Doesnt make sense to me to stop deca a week before, since they leave the system around the same time.

because even after the ester clears nandrolone had more motabelites that stick around, not to mention the fact that straight deca builds up much higher than sust due to the short esters ill include a graph. (although not exact its a good outline)
ill do it for 1/2 ml of sust eod and 250mg of deca 2x a week

He is not really shooting his injections "true" eod. If he was, then is injection frequency would be changing on the second week to sat, mon, wed, friday... then back to sun, tues, thur, sat.....I do agree that shooting eod would be better in keeping plasma levels stable.

right thats exactly what i was suggesting, to go true eod, not eod-eod-e3d, repeat

I thought he was mixing his gear. I could be wrong though??? The only thing he would have to do is equally break up the frequency of the deca.

i wasnt saying hes not mixing his gear, i meant shoot the deca eod with it too instead of 2x a week to be more stable. in the end the different wouldnt be huge though

[one8nine]

this is:
125mg sust eod 100 days
250mg deca 2x a week 100 days



Drug: Testosterone Propionate
(Initial) Dose: 15mg
Half-life: 2 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Phenylpropionate
(Initial) Dose: 30mg
Half-life: 3 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Isocaproate
(Initial) Dose: 30mg
Half-life: 5 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Decanoate
(Initial) Dose: 50mg
Half-life: 9.5 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Nandrolone Decanoate
(Initial) Dose: 250mg
Half-life: 9.5 days
Dose Frequency: Monday and Thursday
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

[one8nine]

this is:
125mg sust eod 100 days
250g deca 2x a week 90 days



Drug: Testosterone Propionate
(Initial) Dose: 15mg
Half-life: 2 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Phenylpropionate
(Initial) Dose: 30mg
Half-life: 3 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Isocaproate
(Initial) Dose: 30mg
Half-life: 5 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Decanoate
(Initial) Dose: 50mg
Half-life: 9.5 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 100 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Nandrolone Decanoate
(Initial) Dose: 250mg
Half-life: 9.5 days
Dose Frequency: Monday and Thursday
Cycle Length: 90 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

[one8nine]

Dont know buddy. I personally think sus sucks. To hard to keep stable and you could get more bang for your buck running a single ester.

i totally agree, at least from a biochemist standpoint, kinda hard for me to judge as i've never cycled but from working out the ester break down and blood level stability on paper i don't know why anyone would run sust unless they just got it really cheap

hell yes

[abstrack]

because even after the ester clears nandrolone had more metabolites that stick around, not to mention the fact that straight deca builds up much higher than sust due to the short esters ill include a graph. (although not exact its a good outline)
ill do it for 1/2 ml of sust eod and 250mg of deca 2x a week

In actuality testosterone & nandrolone are very similar, and there metabolites are very similar. The only difference in one methyl group.

I would like to see the studies that conclude that nandrolone metabolites linger longer in the body compared to testosterone.

[one8nine]

In actuality testosterone & nandrolone are very similar, and there metabolites are very similar. The only difference in one methyl group.

I would like to see the studies that conclude that nandrolone metabolites linger longer in the body compared to testosterone.

ive never actually seen research studies so i guess shame on me for saying it
but either way the deca buildup is much more than that of sust, do you agree or disagree with those graphs?

[ozz1eplayboy]

ok thanx boyz you lost me lol im really worried now becuz im doing 1ml of sus250 and 1ml dec300 twice a week and i just got confused as a mofo reading this so can u tell me if thats kool becuz i have alot of ppl tell me it is but u guys sound like u know alot thanx and im sure u picked up im new to this hahahahaha

ps this it my 1st cycle

[rhino1]

Dont know buddy. I personally think sus sucks. To hard to keep stable and you could get more bang for your buck running a single ester.

agreed

[one8nine]

ok thanx boyz you lost me lol im really worried now becuz im doing 1ml of sus250 and 1ml dec300 twice a week and i just got confused as a mofo reading this so can u tell me if thats kool becuz i have alot of ppl tell me it is but u guys sound like u know alot thanx and im sure u picked up im new to this hahahahaha

ps this it my 1st cycle

shoot 1/2 ml of each every other day.
stop using deca 1 week before sust.
start pct of nolva/aromasin or nolva/proviron 2 weeks after your last shot of sust.

[lcstriker07]

Are you running an AI on cycle bro?

[one8nine]

Are you running an AI on cycle bro?

great question

[abstrack]

ive never actually seen research studies so i guess shame on me for saying it
but either way the deca buildup is much more than that of sust, do you agree or disagree with those graphs?

Where did the graphs generate from? Where did the research come from when putting together those graphs?

From the research studies that I have read, nothing pin points down any clear evidence to deca having a greater "build up". Most studies are done in bovine.

I don't follow up to much on stopping 1-2 weeks before this and that because of half lives. I usually stack something, so I end most cycles with an oral or a short ester. That way I can start PCT a few days after.

[one8nine]

Where did the graphs generate from? Where did the research come from when putting together those graphs?

From the research studies that I have read, nothing pin points down any clear evidence to deca having a greater "build up". Most studies are done in bovine.

I don't follow up to much on stopping 1-2 weeks before this and that because of half lives. I usually stack something, so I end most cycles with an oral or a short ester. That way I can start PCT a few days after.

studies?
its logic the short esters clear quickly- so sust 250 is about 160mg of long esters.
160mg long ester test will logically not build up as much as 250mg long ester nandro
or do you not believe in hormone buildup?

but lets say running 250mg straight test d, and 250mg straight nandro d- that could be another story

i haven't seen a study but i once asked a thread if i could cut test d and nandro d at the same time- gsxxr, nark, and big klg all said no cause of nandro metabolites
i know thats not a study but Ive run with it hearing the same thing from 2 mods and a vet- you're the first person Ive seen say otherwise. not saying anyone is wrong or right definitely but id like to know why all 3 agreed.

[abstrack]

I dont know if metabolites is the correct word in describing what you are saying.

I understand the example of having 90mg/ml extra in running the deca as compared to the sus250, but where a guy who could weigh in at 150lbs and comparing a guy who would weight in at 250lbs is where there is a difference in metabolism.

ie.... Lets say I weigh 100lbs @ 6', and you weight 250lbs @ 6'. We both have 6 drinks and the drinks have 6% alcohol. Whos body will metabolize the 6 drinks faster, or who will be effected faster by the alcohol?

You could even change up the variables to your drinks being 10% alcohol and mine staying at 6%, but the end result will still maintain the same. The larger subject will metabolize more and faster.

This is just my .02. While there is no human studies done, and no studies done on performance users. Everything is based on tests & theories for the most part, and parroted advice handed down through the years.

I am not saying those guys are wrong. This is just my .02. I just havent seen any hard studies that nail anything down. My logic is just what works for me.

[one8nine]

I dont know if metabolites is the correct word in describing what you are saying.

I understand the example of having 90mg/ml extra in running the deca as compared to the sus250, but where a guy who could weigh in at 150lbs and comparing a guy who would weight in at 250lbs is where there is a difference in metabolism.

ie.... Lets say I weigh 100lbs @ 6', and you weight 250lbs @ 6'. We both have 6 drinks and the drinks have 6% alcohol. Whos body will metabolize the 6 drinks faster, or who will be effected faster by the alcohol?

You could even change up the variables to your drinks being 10% alcohol and mine staying at 6%, but the end result will still maintain the same. The larger subject will metabolize more and faster.

This is just my .02. While there is no human studies done, and no studies done on performance users. Everything is based on tests & theories for the most part, and parroted advice handed down through the years.

I am not saying those guys are wrong. This is just my .02. I just havent seen any hard studies that nail anything down. My logic is just what works for me.

maybe metabolites is wrong
ive just had the understanding that after the esters clear, nandrolone will stick around longer than testosterone. maybe im wrong, you could call that parroting too i guess.

for one thing-
detection times
NANDROLONE PHENYLPROPIONATE 11 - 12 MONTHS
TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3 MONTHS

although test e has a much longer ester than npp, npp is able to be detected much longer

but regardless of the actual hormone in this particular situation, the decanoate ester will cause a higher buildup of whatever hormone its attached to, as compared to the prop/p-prop/iso/deca blend at an equal dosage. does that make sense how i worded it?

[ozz1eplayboy]

shoot 1/2 ml of each every other day.
stop using deca 1 week before sust.
start pct of nolva/aromasin or nolva/proviron 2 weeks after your last shot of sust.

thanx mate but i cant do 1/2mls becuz i have 1ml amp of sus250 not 10ml bottle so if i crack 1 i have to use it

[one8nine]

thanx mate but i cant do 1/2mls becuz i have 1ml amp of sus250 not 10ml bottle so if i crack 1 i have to use it

do do this.
draw 1ml of test 1ml of deca.
shake it up a little
shoot 1ml of the blend, leave 1 ml in the syringe
change the needle 2 days later shoot the rest

[ozz1eplayboy]

thanx man