my cycle minus pct

[deliverance]

height 6'3
weight 205 pounds
bf% 12%
diet high protein medium carbs low sugar

wanting to gain more mass and strenght

wk 1-10 decca-durabolin 300mg wk
wk 1-12 test e 500mg wk

wk 12-16 will be pct

using nolva and not decided on the other


any comments would be greatly appreciated

[Kale]

Why Deca for only four weeks. Wont really do the job on that time. Do the deca for 10 weeks and the Test for 12 weeks, that will be a way better cycle IMO

[Ernst]

I took the liberty of searching your posts, so I am better informed.
Now for my 2 cents:
Drop the deca, it's not a kickstarter. It's your first cycle, keep it simple, see how you react with test, feel free to extend it a couple weeks if you're worried about having enough prime gaining time. Besides, deca is a 19nor, and that opens a whole other can of worms. Believe me, just test is fine. You can run adex alongside the test at .25mg ed to help keep estro sides in check (keep in mind this does not guarantee you won't see any). I also recommend having some letro on hand just for the hell of it. Better to have and not need it then the other way around. I don't want to see you back with one of those "oh no, gyno" threads. It's not too expensive for peace of mind. Run the adex up to pct, waiting until 2 weeks after last inject to begin. I recommend clomid , nolva, and aromasin or proviron. Getting your paws on a little hcg couldn't hurt, either.

[deliverance]

first time i ran just test e and something else and how a pretty good outcome bu that was way back in 2000 never got to finish due to the fact we blew up the pharma in kososvo that is were it all started...been hittin the gym everyday out here in iraq...just did not wan to run test e byitself since it dont kick in till around the fourth week..so if not decca...cant get my hands on any d-bol nearly impossible...

[deliverance]

thank you for the critiques bros it is very helpful to me....

[rhino1]

Run deca Longer....at least 10 wks....or drop it

[deliverance]

going to take the advice about the test is well bump it up to 12wks instead of 10 and the decca for 10...sounds nice....thanks bro big help

[deliverance]

still need a good kickstarter though....has anyone heard of danabol....it is suppose to be anadrol....

[Ernst]

Sorry, in your previous thread you said cycle experience: 0. Dbol would be a fine kickstart, or, if that kind of stuff is hard for you to come by, you might also consider a prop kick or frontloading the ent. There's lots of options, really. You also still can't go wrong with the simple test cycle IMO; it has been a while...

[deliverance]

no bro you read it right....never got to finish the actual cycle and that would have been a first for me i got into about 4 and half weeks when we took the building out next to the pharma and of course the pharma went down with it...so i technically do have little or none at all in my opinion...

[Ernst]

Well, if you're considering deca and/or drol be aware of the different possible sides and mechanisms by which they arise. You will need to reconsider your ancillaries. I would also say hcg becomes more than just a recommendation. Honestly, that just sounds to me like a lot of gear for you to be jumping on after one 4 and a half week test cycle 8 years ago. Really, you have essentially zero cycle experience; you just have the benefit of knowing how your body reacts to a little outside test. I believe you should think hard about that... be careful... Good luck.

[deliverance]

right bro back to studying again but really do appreciate all the great info...will post again when think that i have something set up alittle better than this....once again thanks for the knowledge....

[Ernst]

[deliverance]

alright just found the kicker dianabol, thought maybe i was going to have to switch everything up..so here it is


wk 1-4 dianabol 250mgs wk
wk 1-12 test e 500mgs wk

wk 13-14 nolva 40mg ed
wk 15-16 nolva 20mg ed

still need one more....????

any thoughts????

[Ernst]

250mg dbol/wk? Is this pills, or is this the injectable dbol I've heard about? I'll assume pills for this... So like 35mg dbol ed? That would be fine. Split the dose into two or three servings per day. +Oh yeah, almost forgot, adex will be fine for this. None of the deca/drol worries. Still advise letro on backup.
Pct needs improvement. Nolva only isn't ideal at all. Like I mentioned before I think clomid (let's say 25-50mg ed), nolva (how about 20mg ed), and some aromasin or proviron (again at 25-50mg ed) for four weeks would do nicely. Again, *begin pct two weeks after last inject*. I think it would be good to run some hcg too, if it's available to you...
I think that's solid. Good luck.

[Ernst]

Check this out, courtesy of one8nine: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354573

[deliverance]

right on brother more than helpful...you know there is a saying (knowledge gained from the experiance of others is better than knowledge gained from your own mistakes in life)...alot learned in this little thread from you...keep up the motivation for others bro....thanks

[deliverance]

yeah bro i got that one but at the sae time remember everyones body reacts to different even if everyone of those people are taking the exact same thing...this is were i like to get alot of peoples opinons..dont get me wrong...one8nine is a hell of a smart dude and everything he has written i have looked up and done my own research..but in that research as well i was told the same thing i just said...everyone is different...but that is a hell of a pct though and i will use some of it if not all of it....thanks for the thread listing as well bro

[one8nine]

alright just found the kicker dianabol, thought maybe i was going to have to switch everything up..so here it is


wk 1-4 dianabol 250mgs wk
wk 1-12 test e 500mgs wk

wk 13-14 nolva 40mg ed
wk 15-16 nolva 20mg ed

still need one more....????

any thoughts????

pct starts 2 weeks after test e= 15-18

[lcstriker07]

You need an AI on cycle and thoughout PCT. I know you've already been told this, but I figured you'd take more notice if you were told by many.

[MUSCULAR2]

OK, I'm new at this site and trying to get a little info. i was gonna start a cycle of sustagen 300 and winstrol stack.My diet is clean with high protein, med. carbs, and med. fats.I was going to run sustanon 250, but ended up going with sustagen 300 because it was recommended by a friend. Here is my plan i have benn taking milk thistle and Hawthorne berry and my Multivitamins.I was going to run
sustagen 300- wks 1-10 300mg/wk
winstrol- wks 4-10 50mg/eod
pct-nolva and dhea
any suggestions and should i take the sustagen twice a week or once, and is there really any difference betwenn sustagen 300 and sustanon 250

[one8nine]

OK, I'm new at this site and trying to get a little info. i was gonna start a cycle of sustagen 300 and winstrol stack.My diet is clean with high protein, med. carbs, and med. fats.I was going to run sustanon 250, but ended up going with sustagen 300 because it was recommended by a friend. Here is my plan i have benn taking milk thistle and Hawthorne berry and my Multivitamins.I was going to run
sustagen 300- wks 1-10 300mg/wk
winstrol- wks 4-10 50mg/eod
pct-nolva and dhea
any suggestions and should i take the sustagen twice a week or once, and is there really any difference betwenn sustagen 300 and sustanon 250

start your own thread

[MUSCULAR2]

Thanks for the info....lots of help!!! But like i said im new to the site and that was my first post could you help me out and tell me where to go to start a new thread

[one8nine]

[MUSCULAR2]

Well thats easy but its not on mine

[one8nine]

Well thats easy but its not on mine

its on the main page

[one8nine]

on this page http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

[deliverance]

ok so i am going to add som hcg to the cycle for the nuts to get them nice and juicy...LOL compliments of one8nine and his thread...and i am still looking at one8nines thread for a one more good pct...