DNP, how long between cycles?

[ramsay_1]

Is there a certain amount of time you need off between DNP cycles?

[ramsay_1]

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[magic32]

There is no legitimate answer to this question because DNP is not a medicinal drug, hormone, or even herb, but rather a poisonous chemical toxicant. A fact that makes your question tantamount to asking, "How long should one go between cycles of chlorine, fluoride, cyanide or other related chems which to varying degrees all promote mitochondrial uncoupling (a considerably UNDESIRABLE cellular condition)?"

The answer to which is invariably "NEVER"!

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I'm glad to hear that you concluded your DNP experiment, but just as the initial one left you unfulfilled after the fat returned, so will all similar subsequent ventures.

In the arena of fat loss, the long/hard way is also the best one. As mentioned in your other thread, shortcuts such as DNP use won't register within the NFL and therefore cannot be sustained.

Best to you.

[jc95605]

Like magic said theres no definate answer. I would wait do the time on/time off policy tho. Seems like a good policy.

[rhino1]

There is no legitimate answer to this question because DNP is not a medicinal drug, hormone, or even herb, but rather a poisonous chemical toxicant. A fact that makes your question tantamount to asking, "How long should one go between cycles of chlorine, fluoride, cyanide or other related chems which to varying degrees all promote mitochondrial uncoupling (a considerably UNDESIRABLE cellular condition)?"

The answer to which is invariably "NEVER"!

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I'm glad to hear that you concluded your DNP experiment, but just as the initial one left you unfulfilled after the fat returned, so will all similar subsequent ventures.

In the arena of fat loss, the long/hard way is also the best one. As mentioned in your other thread, shortcuts such as DNP use won't register within the NFL and therefore cannot be sustained.

Best to you.

off you soap box yet???

and for your info....chemotherapy is a type of drug therapy as well as any other medicine...for that matter ANY medicince has a CHEMICAL makeup so you need to check your self and let people make their own decisions...he didn't ask to be lectured.

that 'poison' as you describe it is only a poison because that was its orriginal use....anything in the wrong quantity can be a 'poison' to your body....

Take coumadin....use post heart attack to thin the blood...GUESS WHAT....ITS RAT POISON....

to the guy wanting to use it....just use your head...study up on it and with any other medicine or chemical or poison...just be carefull

[magic32]

I see.

off you soap box yet???
SORRY MY REPLY OFFENDED YOU SO MUCH.

and for your info....chemotherapy is a type of drug therapy as well as any other medicine...
IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS, THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW THAT "SO CALLED" CHEMOTHERAPY DRUGS ARE POISONS, AND CAN KILL YOU BUT ARE STRATEGICALLY USED TO KILL THE CANCER (A LIFE THREATING MUTATION WHICH JUSTIFIES THE USE OF POISON) PRIOR TO KILLING THE PERSON.

for that matter ANY medicince has a CHEMICAL makeup
IT ISN'T THE CHEMICAL MAKEUP THAT I TAKE ISSUE WITH.

so you need to check your self and let people make their own decisions...
MAYBE YOU READ TOO SWIFTLY, OR ARE (AS YOU SEEM TO BE ACCUSING ME OF) ODDLY TO OVERPROTECTIVE OF OTHER GROWN MEN. IN ANY EVENT, AS YOU'LL NOTE FROM MY POST, RAMSAY AND I HAVE DISCUSSED DNP USE BEFORE, I WAS SIMPLY REITERATING A POINT WITHIN MY REPLY.


he didn't ask to be lectured.
TRUE, BUT DON'T WE SOMETIMES DO WHAT ISN'T ASKED OF US AS WELL?
FOR EXAMPLE, I CERTAINLY DON'T RECALL ASKING FOR YOUR CRITIQUE OF MY REPLY. ERGO, MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME OF YOUR OWN ADVICE...THINGS THAT MAKE YOU "HMMM".

that 'poison' as you describe it is only a poison because that was its orriginal use....
FALSE!
DNP AND RELATED POISONS ARE POISONOUS TO ALL HUMAN AND ANIMAL LIFE FORMS.

anything in the wrong quantity can be a 'poison' to your body....
TRUE!
BUT, THEN AGAIN IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, SADLY NEITHER OF THESE ARE QUESTIONS AT HAND. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT QUANTITY IN THIS CASE BUT RATHER INHERENT CHARACTERISTICS, THE FOLLOWING EXERPT FROM MY DNP PIECE SHOULD ELUCIDATE THESE TRUTHS:

Admittedly, a measure of overlap exists between the chemicals in each group, so let’s begin by clearing the air. Science permits us to discern a thing’s type by what are called “primary characteristics”, or those inherent properties that are intended and expected to be realized. By applying the case appropriate primary definitions of each word we arrive at:

Drug - a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in an organism.

Poison - a substance that normally, through its chemical action, kills, injures, or otherwise impairs an organism.

Thus, drugs possess inherently curative or healing primary characteristics that make living organisms well or at least better, while poisons have the opposite effect. How then can many of the chemicals we so freely use in everyday life, and sometimes for the preservation of life, STILL possess the defining characteristics of a poison? Good question, and although the answer may seem paradoxical at first, it is really quite rational. Simply put, there are times when killing is what's desired, and during such times poisons are your man (so to speak) for example:

Fluoride is a poisonous chemical, which is why we do not swallow toothpaste when we brush. Yet it is effectively used to KILL germs, thereby controlling the levels of harmful bacteria in our mouths and drinking water via toothpastes, mouth rinses, and large body of water additives. For references here see “Toxicity, Fluoride” by Geofrey Nochimson, MD - http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic181.htm. To a lesser extent than DNP, fluoride can also promote oxidative phosphorylation, i.e. mitochondrial uncoupling.

Chlorine is a poison, which we also swallow in minuscule amounts because it helps to control the very dangerous water-thriving micro-organisms that cause Typhoid, Hepatitis, Cholera, and other notable enemies. Chlorine works by destroying the cell structure of harmful organisms, thereby KILLING them. For more detail, see the “How Chlorine Kills” in Box 1 of this World Health Organization (WHO) informational. http://www.searo.who.int/LinkFiles/L...e_residual.pdf

Cytoxan, Purinethol, Elspar, and Oncovin are all poisons. However they play an integral role as Chemotherapy drugs. Uh oh, there's that contradictory “D” word again. Whenever you see term “drug”, remember to look for the primary purpose or characteristic to help discern what a chemical truly is, which in this case is to KILL harmful cancer cells. So although beneficial to cancer patients, each of the above substances are indeed KILLING organisms, which makes them poisons. We simply employ them in dosages small enough to eradicate the rapidly dividing mutated cells before killing us. We do however still suffer in many ways from their poisonous symptoms. Some of the organs that can be directly damaged by “so-called” chemotherapy drugs include the kidneys, liver, testes, ovaries, brain, heart, and lungs. In addition, the body experiences numerous sickness effects as well as the notorious tell tale hair loss symptom. See “Chemotherapy” by the American Cancer Society for more on this. http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co....asp?sitearea=

So we see that in each of the above cases very harmful, toxic, and poisonous chemicals can be used LIKE drugs, yet they shouldn’t be confused with them.

Thanks Rhino, for your commentary.
It certainly aided the thread, both informationally and educationally.

[MercyDog]

DNP is best served before competitions, 10 day cycle, when needed to make the "cut". Used as a weight loss drug, cycling on-and-off fequently, will cause many unwanted issues. If it were me I wouldn't cycle it more than 2-3 times a year, but I choose not to use it at all

[rhino1]

Touche'

in my defense....i was DEFENDING him...not preaching...you certainly are more well spoken and have loads of information at your ready disposal! I give you props

[ramsay_1]

cheers guys. I did run a 14 day cycle at 400mg ED and lost 7lbs. I have been off 10days and weight has stayed the same. Ive got enough caps to do another 14 days at 600mg so im gona give it ago and see how I get on.

Im going to try increasing my carbs a little

[rhino1]

good for you

[magic32]

cheers guys. I did run a 14 day cycle at 400mg ED and lost 7lbs. I have been off 10days and weight has stayed the same. Ive got enough caps to do another 14 days at 600mg so im gona give it ago and see how I get on.

Im going to try increasing my carbs a little

Rhino will probably accuse me of it anyway so...

There are a couple of problems with your plan. Firstly, poisons of this nature are cumulative, that is to say they are stored within the body's fat and/or tissue then eliminated at slow variable rates depending on multiple factors (amt. of exposure, frequency of exposure, over all time frame of exposure, amt. of pure water consumed, supplemental evacuation agents, etc.). Based on your cycle length, dosage and time off, the poison is still present. This is important partly because a cycle now would be additive, but mostly because of your proposed dosage & frequency are simply a bad idea as I’ll explain. As touched on in the short excerpt, and elaborated on in the work, such poisons are only used to kill undesirable organisms and cells. This is specifically why DNP, though in the same poison classification isn’t a helpful aid, and thus should NEVER be used! Of course there are those who’ll argue that it metaphorically kills fat, but this is merely a symptom of poisoning resulting from cellular disruption i.e. mitochondrial uncoupling, and is also only the extraction of fat as opposed to the destruction or removal of the fat cell which can only be accomplished by liposuction or obliterating injectable chemicals like Lippodissolve.

That fact aside, there are distinct similarities between these poisons and since you’re going to consume it anyway you’ll necessarily have to either abide by protocol or experience the mandatory alternative, namely premature cycle discontinuation due to advanced poisoning. As described, a poison’s purpose is to kill the invader while being as minimally detrimental to the host as possible. Accepting chemotherapy POISONS is a no-brainer because cancer’s life-threatening component compels one to suffer the terrible effects on what are known as “Rapidly Dividing Cells”, those within the bone marrow, GI tract, reproductive system, and hair follicles all of which recover after discontinuation. However, the delivery protocol is the same namely, administer just enough to kill the interloper without killing the host. In short, and the moral of our story, though I wanted you to comprehend the "Why Aspect" is that a DNP cycle which begins with and sustains or improves on 600mgs ED will too rapidly escalate your intentional poisoning, and exceed the levels of mild or “mild to moderate” (acceptable) venturing into moderate which is evidenced by vomiting (or desire to), liver affectedness (indicated by extremity yellowing), and reddened arms ("no" this is not the rash), which leaves only 'severe' (SEE FULL SYMPTOMOLOGY BELOW) for you to look forward too.

Wisdom is said to be the application of knowledge, well this is where it should be exercised. You’re no doubt familiar with the term “Manning Up” whether used by your father/father-figure, friend or whoever, it’s not an inherently bad behavior, nevertheless there are times when it is inappropriate, and this is one of those times. Continuing this course will cause you to reach nerve sensitivity in no time. This is where everything you touch radiates through the skin irritating the nerves and causing what can only be explained as the WORSE itching imaginable. The sad part is that every time you scratch, it gets worse. Raised red welps develop where scratched, and there's not a balm or salve available that can soothe it.

Note: The single most terrifying aspect of 'moderate' poisoning is its longevity.
By then the tissue itself is infused with the poison and relief won't occur for about two weeks (more like 18 days), and although you can enact a number of possible efforts, there is no antidote.

Anyway, this is textbook stuff, click link below, open the handbook then visit chapt. 11 (pg. 104):
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/safety...k/handbook.htm
(OH BE SURE you see pg. 104 at the bottom of the handbook page, because the PDF menu at the top will read pg. 108.)

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SYMPTOMOLOGY
Various levels of DNP poisoning can adversely affect a variety of bodily systems including renal, dermal, ocular, metabolic, immunological, neurological, reproductive, respiratory and cardiovascular (ATSDR - http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp115.pdf) As with most poisons, there are degrees of DNP poisoning which correlate to semi-specific symptoms, some of which are outlined below:

• MILD - fatigue, hyperthermia (heat exhaustion), fat loss, dizziness, profuse perspiration, elevated respiration that causes constant and unquenchable thirst, restlessness, malaise, headache, torso rash (based on sensitivity to poisoning)
  
  
• MODERATE - elevating temp, dysgeusia or loss of taste (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003050.htm), yellowing of hands and arms (not jaundice), peripheral neuritis (http://www.baptistonline.org/health/...y/neur3536.asp), extreme fat loss
  
  
• SEVERE - excessive sustained temp, pruitis without a rash (http://www.aad.org/public/publicatio..._pruritus.html), tachycardia, cataracts, loss of 20% of body weight, necrosis (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002266.htm ), nephritis (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=4528), paralysis and severe injury to the heart, kidneys, liver, and lungs, and death

...AND MEMBERS WONDER WHY I'M ANTI-DNP!!!

[ramsay_1]

Thanks magic. I havnt started that proposed cycle and am going to leave the DNP and cut natty.

[magic32]

Touche'

in my defense....i was DEFENDING him...not preaching...you certainly are more well spoken and have loads of information at your ready disposal! I give you props

Interesting...however, it isn't the "loads of information" or even the fact that I've studied DNP in detail that are of issue, but rather that you were clearly defending a point on which you were unclear. I'm happy to have provided some clarity, and also to note that the first part of your premise was accurate. If used improperly ANYTHING (water, oxygen, etc.) can become harmful and possibly poisonous, but some chemicals are inherently poisonous and for that reason are so named, POISONS.

...whereas I was blind, now I see.
- Jhn 9:25

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Thanks magic. I havnt started that proposed cycle and am going to leave the DNP and cut natty.

That's the safest, most permanent and thereby BEST way!