what makes testosterone so good for bulking????

[gangers]

i dont get it testosterone has an anabolic score of 100

deca has an anabolic score of 125 but deca is 2.2 times more anabolic than testosterone.

tren has an anabolic score of 500 so that must make tren at least 6 times more anabolic than testosterone.

so what makes testosterone so good for bulking????

[ghettoboyd]

whats not to get. test is the benchmark if you will,for all other steroids. yes there are theoreticly more anabolic steroids but lets not forget there androgenic values. i belive you will find that the deca and tren come with more potential for sides. if i was to pick one i would go with test.disclaimer: i am by no means an expert but i do resurch this stuff all the time. i hope a more knoledgable person can help u more.

[Gears]

Test is supposed to be ran with all supressive cycles, cutting or bulking. It`s not that its the best for it, its that its essential in all cycles.

[QuadPower]

Good question OP.

The ratios are (anabolic:androgenic):
Test- 100:100
Deca- 125:37
Tren- 500:500

Maybe it is because test aromatizes, and if that is kept in control, you get the GH, IGF benefits of estrogen.

Maybe it is easier to restore your HPTA after test, than it is with deca or tren, since they are more suppressive...? So you actually keep the gains you make off of test more easily.

Or maybe there are other as yet unknown pathways that test activates..? Remember that test is the *naturally occurring* steroid in your body. Besides, correct me if I am wrong, but tren is much better for putting on mass, correct?

Can the vets chime in? I'm very interested in the answer to this as well.

[QuadPower]

Also I'm sure the anabolic receptors factor in there somehow, just not sure how. Damn, I realized this morning that there is still a lot I need to know about steroids, despite all that I have learnt!

[mauler]

Remember that test is the *naturally occurring* steroid in your body.

actually i think deca is naturally in your body as well.
at least that is what wikipedia tells me
"Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid that may be present naturally in the human body, albeit in minute quantities of less than 0.4 ng/ml. Nandrolone is most commonly sold commercially as its decanoate ester (Deca-Durabolin) and less commonly as a phenylpropionate ester (Durabolin). Nandrolone decanoate is used in the treatment of osteoporosis in postmenopausal women (though now not recommended) at a dose of 50 mg every three weeks. It is also used for some aplastic anaemias."

[stpete]

Good question OP.

The ratios are (anabolic:androgenic):
Test- 100:100
Deca- 125:37
Tren- 500:500

Maybe it is because test aromatizes, and if that is kept in control, you get the GH, IGF benefits of estrogen.

Maybe it is easier to restore your HPTA after test, than it is with deca or tren, since they are more suppressive...? So you actually keep the gains you make off of test more easily.

Or maybe there are other as yet unknown pathways that test activates..? Remember that test is the *naturally occurring* steroid in your body. Besides, correct me if I am wrong, but tren is much better for putting on mass, correct?

Can the vets chime in? I'm very interested in the answer to this as well.

Tren isn't better for mass. Test has tren beat in that area, but that's about all. Tren is more of a cutting/hardening agent.

[Bigmax]

Test is supposed to be ran with all supressive cycles, cutting or bulking. It`s not that its the best for it, its that its essential in all cycles.

Go ahead and expain this bro...cause i absolutely dont agree with that statement at all...Test is supposed to be rean with "suppresive" cycles??..Test alone is supressive...Test is a great compound and definately anabolic but essential??..No bro..In fact i know guys who do dea and dbol cycles...no test and have no problem...

[MuscleScience]

Go ahead and expain this bro...cause i absolutely dont agree with that statement at all...Test is supposed to be rean with "suppresive" cycles??..Test alone is supressive...Test is a great compound and definately anabolic but essential??..No bro..In fact i know guys who do dea and dbol cycles...no test and have no problem...

No test in a cycle!!!, Heresy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bigmax]

lolol

[jstraw428]

Tren isn't better for mass. Test has tren beat in that area, but that's about all. Tren is more of a cutting/hardening agent.

You are correct in saying that tren is a great cutting/ hardening agent, but Tren is a very powerful mass builder......That is why they use it for cattle, to strip off some of the fat, and produce bigger meatier cows.....I use Tren for bulking all the time....

[Crest]

actually i think deca is naturally in your body as well.
at least that is what wikipedia tells me
"Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid that may be present naturally in the human body, albeit in minute quantities of less than 0.4 ng/ml. Nandrolone is most commonly sold commercially as its decanoate ester (Deca-Durabolin) and less commonly as a phenylpropionate ester (Durabolin). Nandrolone decanoate is used in the treatment of osteoporosis in postmenopausal women (though now not recommended) at a dose of 50 mg every three weeks. It is also used for some aplastic anaemias."

dont think this is right mate

[jstraw428]

yeah, i dont think nandrolone is a naturally occuring chemical......at least in our bodies...

[one8nine]

cause without it youre incomplete as a man

*Suppress – Decrease natural testosterone production
*Shut down – Completely stop natural testosterone production
*Testosterone – Testosterone is necessary for other functions in the human body other than muscular and cellular development. Without it, one could potentially have problems sexually, mentally, and physically. The body has a system called the LH feedback loop. The more androgenic hormones that you have in your body, the less your body will feel the need to produce any testosterone at all. Basically, the point is Testosterone is necessary in almost any cycle, except a short DHT cycle (which will be explained later). 19nors should never be taken without test. This also illustrates why PCT is necessary.
*my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

[stpete]

You are correct in saying that tren is a great cutting/ hardening agent, but Tren is a very powerful mass builder......That is why they use it for cattle, to strip off some of the fat, and produce bigger meatier cows.....I use Tren for bulking all the time....

I use it for bulking as well. And i have great success in conjunction with other compounds. I thought thread starter was asking compound v compound for mass.

Do you use tren by itself for bulking?

[NightWolf]

yeah, i dont think nandrolone is a naturally occuring chemical......at least in our bodies...

oh yes it is.

[Amorphic]

i wouldnt say test is good for bulking. leave the bulking to the 19nors. test is just the staple for cycles to keep your libido and mood elevated, its not a big gainer.

[one8nine]

i once did 200mg ed test p only i wasnt impressed

[Flex-Appeal]

i once did 200mg ed test p only i wasnt impressed

i am never impressed off of a single compound

[Amorphic]

i once did 200mg ed test p only i wasnt impressed

the only thing i noticed when i did my last few shots of prop at 200mgs/ed was the retarded increase in sex drive that i didnt feel through my cycle with npp.

[stpete]

Example of a bulk cycle for myself: Starting 9-09-08.
Week 1-18....800mgs test e
Week 1-4.....40mgs dbol ed
Weeks 5-15...150mgs tren ace ed

Oh yea....Eat like there's no tomorrow. The fat will start to come off around week 10 if you're doing everything right.