Need Some help on cycle -- Old Member trying toget back in the game.

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 01:19 PM

Hey Everyone.

Was a member on here for a long time.

Got some amazing advice couple of years ago.

But Ive been out of the game too long.

I just finished up an Sus 250 M W F cycle for 8 weeks.

I did about 4 cycles in my life .. never with Tren though.

Planning my next one.

Im 31
5'9 about 210lbs I think Im about 18% BF.

I really like to drop some more BF and maintain or put on some clean gains.

Im thinking of Test E, Tren E, EQ.

Test E 500mg/wk
Tren E 400mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk

Thinking about running this 6 Weeks or 8 Weeks ?

Can yall give me some advice on what you think ?

Also .. PCT ..

Nolva, Letro if needed.
Anything else ?

Glad to see the forum is still around, lots of good people was here and good advice.

Thanks
DK

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 01:32 PM

Welcome Back!!!!

First, i would try to lose a lot more of that bf before you start your cycle....

Second, Eq needs to be run at least 12 weeks........

Third, You will be very disappointed in the EQ results when stacked with TREN .....the tren will overshadow the EQ

If you wanted to add something to the test and tren.....i would suggest a DHT.....this will give you the Trinity(Test, 19-nor, DHT)

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 01:33 PM

also, if you wanted to do such short cycles....maybe you should look to faster esters....such as Prop for test, and Tren A for your 19-nor.......

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 01:38 PM

I talked to a few people.

Im thinking Im going to drop the EQ from the cycle. Some good people here told me its not needed.

I though, back before .. Tren shouldnt be run for more thant 6 - 8 weeks ?
Im not sure what DHT is .. I need to look it up and see.

It was recommended I swap the EQ for Masteron Enathate version.
Need to research some more about it too. Thats another one Ive never heard of or done before.

My goal is to be 12% before I start the cycle.

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 01:43 PM

I personally ran Tren A at 100mg ed for 12 weeks and experienced very little sides(a little heartburn, and drenching nightly sweats) but nothing out of the normal....

Masteron , winstral, etc....are DHT......

EQ sucks in my opinion, and i would rather cycle nothing than EQ>....

**WARMachine** · 09-04-2008, 01:44 PM

If you want to run a short cycle get Prop, Tren Ace, and Masteron ...

If you dont like injecting ED, do the Enath for 10-12weeks...

Get some Letro for gyno while on cycle...

I would get some HCG for PCT as well...

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 01:47 PM

I personally dont like using HCG during PCT.....I usually use it throughout my entire cycle, and stop on the first day of PCT......I feel i dont recover as fast when using during PCT.....JMO

**WARMachine** · 09-04-2008, 01:49 PM

What about 2 weeks before the cycle ends and 2 weeks into PCT?

Best of both worlds...

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 01:51 PM

Thanks jStraw for clearing up the DHT question.

Ive ran winny before at 50mg ED. But I rather do an Enath.
I can handle 10 - 12 weeks. Thats not a problem

If I cant get any Masteron Enathate, How would winny fit into this ?
Just take it oral 50mg ED ? or inj 50MG ED ?

I do plan to have some Letro, Nolva, and HCG .

Im probably going to run Letro through the cycle.
Use Nolva for PCT

Not sure about HCG .. I like the idea of 2 weeks before and threw 2 weeks of PCT.

Thanks
DK

**WARMachine** · 09-04-2008, 01:52 PM

Why do you want winny? Tren , Test, and Mast is a great cycle!

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 01:53 PM

I run 250iu 2x week while on cycle.....2 weeks before i start PCT, i up my dosage to 500iu eod......I stop all HCG usage on the first day of PCT......

If you get masteron , there is no reason to take winny as well........they are both DHT

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Why do you want winny? Tren, Test, and Mast is a great cycle!

Because I dont think I can get Mast E .. .. Im pretty sure I can get ahold of some Winny or Mast P ...

But I need to check into it...

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 01:54 PM

I love Prop, Tren A, Masteron ......it is one of my favorite cycles......in fact, that is the cycle i just ended about a 7 weeks ago......Loved it...

**WARMachine** · 09-04-2008, 01:56 PM

Then go with Ace, TProp, and Mast P

Pin ED... Rotate glutes, quads, and delts...

Youll love that cycle...

Plus that Ena is gonna be a water retaining SOB of a cycle...

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Then go with Ace, TProp, and Mast P

Pin ED... Rotate glutes, quads, and delts...

Youll love that cycle...

Plus that Ena is gonna be a water retaining SOB of a cycle...

Damn ..

Yall are going to talk me into going ED.
what would it be ?
Prop 100mg ED
Tren A 50mg ED
Mast P 100mg ED ?

Run this 6 - 8 weeks ?

Still run Letro and HCG during cycle ? Anything else ?

What does it do to my PCT etc.

Dang. . Going to have to research all over again and see..

I want to go ahead and Thank Everyone who has replied.
Awesome info so far !!

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 02:08 PM

ED injections are the best.....I just finished a 14week cycle that was ed injections, plus Insulin 3x daily, plus HCG 2x weekly....so it came out to like 30 injections a week....thank god the HCG and insulin pins are small....

prop 50-75mg ed
Tren A 50-100mg ed
Masteron 50-100m ed

I will leave the length up to you, but anywhere from 6-10weeks.....

I would use HCG throughout the cycle, and use aromasin , clomid, and nolva for PCT

**WARMachine** · 09-04-2008, 02:10 PM

Idk, ive got to disagree with ya Jstraw...

I think HCG two weeks before the cycle ends and two weeks into PCT is the best way...
Not to mention insulin is a tricky thing... I have no interest in ever using it...

And yes darknight...

Run Letro at .25mg E3D OR EOD to start... You could bump it up to ED if you need it... I doubt it though...

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 02:11 PM

Ive seen Prop and Tren A blended already

Its like 100mg Prop 75mg Tren Blended already ... Is this better or worse ?

Seems like its less poking, if its comes already mixed into 1ml. ??

**WARMachine** · 09-04-2008, 02:13 PM

Well Test Prop, Mast, and Ace can all be shot in the same syringe bro... Its only gonna be one shot a day anyway you look at it...

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Idk, ive got to disagree with ya Jstraw...

I think HCG two weeks before the cycle ends and two weeks into PCT is the best way...
Not to mention insulin is a tricky thing... I have no interest in ever using it...

And yes darknight...

Run Letro at .25mg E3D OR EOD to start... You could bump it up to ED if you need it... I doubt it though...

I definately was not recomendding insulin to him, but i will say that it gets such a bad rap as being extremely dangerous.....but you have to be pretty stupid to die from insulin.....

HCG is again something that is personal preference.....i have found that is how i respond best to the compound.....I am very sensitive to HCG, and dont want to risk the extra aromatization during PCT, also very gyno prone....

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Well Test Prop, Mast, and Ace can all be shot in the same syringe bro... Its only gonna be one shot a day anyway you look at it...

True ..

But 2cc and 3cc in my delts will make a big difference ..

glutes and quad no biggie .. but damn never put 3cc into delts before.

**WARMachine** · 09-04-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by DarkKnightAZ

Ive seen Prop and Tren A blended already

Its like 100mg Prop 75mg Tren Blended already ... Is this better or worse ?

Seems like its less poking, if its comes already mixed into 1ml. ??

How much is your Mast gonna be? 100mg/ml?

If so thats only gonna be 2CC's a day... Youll be fine...

**jstraw428** · 09-04-2008, 02:31 PM

You should also try the pecs.....they can handle abig injection, and it is virtually painless......just got to get over the PULP FICTION scence......

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-04-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

You should also try the pecs.....they can handle abig injection, and it is virtually painless......just got to get over the PULP FICTION scence......

pecs .. I dont know .. I wouldnt even know where to start.

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-05-2008, 09:59 PM

So .. to do ED or 2x a week ....

Will I see faster results with Prop, Tren A, and Mast P ?

**MuscleScience** · 09-05-2008, 10:02 PM

Welcome back

**Phate** · 09-05-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by DarkKnightAZ

Hey Everyone.

Was a member on here for a long time.

Got some amazing advice couple of years ago.

But Ive been out of the game too long.

I just finished up an Sus 250 M W F cycle for 8 weeks.
how long are you waiting in between cycles, should be time on+pct=time off
I did about 4 cycles in my life .. never with Tren though.

Planning my next one.

Im 31
5'9 about 210lbs I think Im about 18% BF.

I really like to drop some more BF and maintain or put on some clean gains.

Im thinking of Test E, Tren E, EQ.

Test E 500mg/wk
Tren E 400mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk

Thinking about running this 6 Weeks or 8 Weeks ?

Can yall give me some advice on what you think ?

Also .. PCT ..

Nolva, Letro if needed.
Anything else ?

Glad to see the forum is still around, lots of good people was here and good advice.

Thanks
DK

is it gonna be a bulk, lean bulk, cut? what is your diet like? post it for critiquing

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-09-2008, 04:15 PM

Mostly going to be for lean bulk.

Diet, Im not sure yet. I will be working with a friend to figure it out.

Once I get it from him I will post it up.

I have a pretty clean diet for the most part, but I dont think I eat enough.

**jstraw428** · 09-09-2008, 04:49 PM

keep us posted on that diet.....

**WARMachine** · 09-09-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by DarkKnightAZ

So .. to do ED or 2x a week ....

Will I see faster results with Prop, Tren A, and Mast P ?

Pin ED and yes, you will see results faster with Prop/Ace/Mast...

Thats the beauty of short esters!

Keep us posted on the diet brother...!

**DarkKnightAZ** · 09-11-2008, 12:05 PM

Ok ..

So I think I got it figure out.

100mg Prop / 75Mg Tren A Blend ED
100mg Mast ED
Letro .25mg EOD or ED ?
Going to run this 8 weeks

HCG 2weeks before and 2 weeks after for PCT
Nolva and maybe Clomid for PCT

Can someone lay out a good PCT for me ?
Ive always ran Nolva and Clomid for PCT ..

**WARMachine** · 09-11-2008, 12:18 PM

Nolva 20mg ed
Clomid 25mg (optional)
Proviron 50mg ed OR Aromasin 50mg ed

HCG 500iu's 2xW

Btw, i forgot, how long has it been since your last cycle? Thats a lot of gear for someone who hasnt been on in a while IMO.

Letro@ .25mgs EOD or E3D is a good start, if the sides seem to continue id do ED. It really depends... Whats nice about this is you wont have to taper cause PCT for you starts one day after...