(another) Test e only first cycle questions

[ruwet]

decided to say away from the sust for now.
planning to run for about 8-12 weeks I was told the test e I will be gettin is 300mg/1ml so my first question is, is 600mg/week ok for a first cycle?
Everyone seems to say 500mg/week
was planning to shoot say Mondays and Thursdays 300mg/1ml each jab.
Most people always seem to say something different so was hoping for a bit of help from you guys in the know.
Thanks in Advance

[stallion_1]

500 mg or 600 mg will be fine. no biggie
test e must be run for at least 10 weeks, make sure to do pct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney

[ruwet]

What happens if it is run for less? So many people say 6 weeks is enough lol

thanks for the info! and will def be doing a proper PCT

[daem]

What happens if it is run for less? So many people say 6 weeks is enough lol

thanks for the info! and will def be doing a proper PCT

Who are these "so many people" you've heard that from?

Testosterone Propionate can be run for 4-6 weeks with good results.

Long-estered test (Enanthate or Cypionate ) will have been stable for a only very short time if you quit at 6 weeks, so 10-12 weeks is long enough to take advantage of the drug.

[stallion_1]

testosterone enanthate has a long ester and as such it must be run for a longer period of time.

test enth will kick in at about 5th week, if u do only 6 weeks and ur gains will be very very minimal. the best gains are at the end of the cycle.

[ruwet]

yeah I understand now, thanks for clearing that up! I keep trying to expand my knowledge as best as possible researching the net etc as I have learnt not to trust asking people I know who have used.

Also makes it easier when someone explains it in terms you understand.

without going into to much detail apart fom the obvious long and short ester what is the main differences between test enth and test prop. Well I guess the pro's and cons because why would someone take something that you need to take for longer to get gains as apposed to something you can run for shorter period of time and quicker gains.

[weightlifter79]

600mg a week is good. 300mg on Mon 300mg on Thurs. for 12 weeks. Then your Pct.

[richtries]

yeah I understand now, thanks for clearing that up! I keep trying to expand my knowledge as best as possible researching the net etc as I have learnt not to trust asking people I know who have used.

Also makes it easier when someone explains it in terms you understand.

without going into to much detail apart fom the obvious long and short ester what is the main differences between test enth and test prop. Well I guess the pro's and cons because why would someone take something that you need to take for longer to get gains as apposed to something you can run for shorter period of time and quicker gains.

you have to inject every day with prop as opposed to twice a week with test e

[one8nine]

testosterone propionate vs. testosterone enanthate
test prop-
injected daily
peaks in 4-6 days
pct starts 2 days later
minimal bloat
more potent than test e mg for mg due to ester weight
recommended dosage- 50mg ed (350mg wk)
test enan-
injected 2x week
peaks in 4-6 weeks
pct starts 2 weeks later
noticeable bloat
less potent than test p mg for mg due to ester weight
recommended dosage- 250mg 2x week (500mg wk)

[helium3]

yeah I understand now, thanks for clearing that up! I keep trying to expand my knowledge as best as possible researching the net etc as I have learnt not to trust asking people I know who have used.

Also makes it easier when someone explains it in terms you understand.

without going into to much detail apart fom the obvious long and short ester what is the main differences between test enth and test prop. Well I guess the pro's and cons because why would someone take something that you need to take for longer to get gains as apposed to something you can run for shorter period of time and quicker gains.

props prolly not the best first cycle compound as in general it can be quite painful(depending on the ugl,and which oil they use)couple that with each day or eod injections,it could put you off lol.

as stated above its great for doing short cycles of 4-6 weeks.

again id run enth for 10-12 weeks just to see how you gain. i dont grow at all after week six even with deca (nandrolone ), however i always frontload(double the dose the first week).but you need to find out how your body reacts as each individual is different.

get your diet and pct in order, train hard and just enjoy your first cycle.

theres nothing like your first

[helium3]

p.s you might wanna get/keep some nolva on hand just incase you are prone to gyno.

[one8nine]

nolva should never be used on cycle

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

[ruwet]

thanks guys for the great advice! For so long my diet was just all over the place wondering why the hours a week of training wasn't really paying off lol as soon as I made the switch to 6 meals a day and cut out take away/junk/ soft drink/ alcohol the fat is starting to strip away naturally (cardio few days a week to) and muscle is looking a lot better

I will stick to test e and do a minimum of 10 weeks.

the past couple of weeks I have lost around 4kg (8.8 lbs) and it seems to be shredding off due to the new diet along with my weight training and cardio.
I still want to loose another 10kg (22 lbs) now I know test can be good for burning fat as well as building muscle, but would you guys reccomend to keep going naturally to burn as much fat before I do my first cycle?

[Phate]

thanks guys for the great advice! For so long my diet was just all over the place wondering why the hours a week of training wasn't really paying off lol as soon as I made the switch to 6 meals a day and cut out take away/junk/ soft drink/ alcohol the fat is starting to strip away naturally (cardio few days a week to) and muscle is looking a lot better

I will stick to test e and do a minimum of 10 weeks.

the past couple of weeks I have lost around 4kg (8.8 lbs) and it seems to be shredding off due to the new diet along with my weight training and cardio.
I still want to loose another 10kg (22 lbs) now I know test can be good for burning fat as well as building muscle, but would you guys reccomend to keep going naturally to burn as much fat before I do my first cycle?

best thing for anything bodybuilding related is a proper diet, so post yours and if it's good than we can talk about adding a sympathomimetic compound

[ruwet]

Breakfast: half cup of oats with skim milk, 2 pieces of whole grain bread with peanut butter

in between meal: Protein shake piece of fruit

Lunch: Usally chicken and turkey with rice or a whole grain sandwich

afternoon meal: again try have chicken or turkey or a protein shake depending on what I feel like.

post workout: protein shake

Dinner: Lean steak with vegetables and maybe a couple of baked potatoes

snacks I mite have a couple of raw almonds thru out the day

[helium3]

nolva should never be used on cycle

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

BS!


nolva is useless when using deca or tren i agree. but not when running test only, it may only be a serm and may only block the estrogen from attaching to the receptors in the nipple, but thats the point. ofcourse it does not remove/reduce overall estrogen levels.

however if you can afford to run an AI like arimadex you should, just as i am at the moment. nolva may not be the best way of protecting against gyno when doing a test cycle,but considering its his first cycle, its a safe bet.

[helium3]

thanks guys for the great advice! For so long my diet was just all over the place wondering why the hours a week of training wasn't really paying off lol as soon as I made the switch to 6 meals a day and cut out take away/junk/ soft drink/ alcohol the fat is starting to strip away naturally (cardio few days a week to) and muscle is looking a lot better

I will stick to test e and do a minimum of 10 weeks.

the past couple of weeks I have lost around 4kg (8.8 lbs) and it seems to be shredding off due to the new diet along with my weight training and cardio.
I still want to loose another 10kg (22 lbs) now I know test can be good for burning fat as well as building muscle, but would you guys reccomend to keep going naturally to burn as much fat before I do my first cycle?

personally id hold off and keep leaning out.as you have still got a fair way to go to lose 22lbs of bodyfat.

hold off as long as you can, until the gear burns a whole in your pocket lol.

as phate said, diet is key, sounds like you are hard at it. good luck!

[ruwet]

At first I was thinking cycling to get rid of it cause I thought nothing was going to work then just a simple diet change and a little self control to say no to McDonalds etc has gone along way!

Thanks everyone for the advice I think for now I will continue on the natural route to strip as much bodyfat as possible still continue to learn as much as I can before I cycle.

Diet really is the key!

[muhammad1185]

cycle sounds good, the guys have offered the right advice, run arimidex or letro on cycle. you can run test for 12 weeks but if your diet aint right its pointless, test works with a high calorie diet, you cant get results from a low calorie diet, keep trying to cut that body fat and keep up the hard work, then give the cycle a shot.

p.s- make sure you have the full cycle on hand, with all pct and gyno gear b4 you pick up the needle.

[Phate]

[QUOTE=ruwet;4178635]At first I was thinking cycling to get rid of it cause I thought nothing was going to work then just a simple diet change and a little self control to say no to McDonalds etc has gone along way!

Thanks everyone for the advice I think for now I will continue on the natural route to strip as much bodyfat as possible still continue to learn as much as I can before I cycle.

Diet really is the key![/QUOTE]

i like that attitute, so to help i'll critique your diet a bit

[Phate]

Breakfast: half cup of oats with skim milk, 2 pieces of whole grain bread with peanut butter
PROTEIN AT EVERY MEAL, go to a cup of oats and 6egg whites + 2 egg yolks, cut out bread and peanut butter
in between meal: Protein shake piece of fruit
cut out shake and add tuna and sweet potatos
Lunch: Usally chicken and turkey with rice or a whole grain sandwich
no sandwich, chicken or turkey and sweet potato or red potato, try to avoid rice but if you must have it make sure it's long grain brown rice
afternoon meal: again try have chicken or turkey or a protein shake depending on what I feel like.
no shake, whole food, and add a good carb source
post workout: protein shake
add a carb source, sweet potato is perfect
Dinner: Lean steak with vegetables and maybe a couple of baked potatoes
i like the lean steak and veges, cut out baked potatos and add red potato, but not alot, and your last meal add a casein source like cottage cheese for a slow trickle of protein throughout the night
snacks I mite have a couple of raw almonds thru out the day

Too many protein shakes, cut down to only 1 PWO or none at all, this will help because your body has to work harder to digest solid food and the thermogenic effects becomes a bigger factor

[ruwet]

Thanks for that mate. Weekends I will have about 4 or 5 egg whites and 1 whole egg but during the week it makes it hard with work I start at 7.30am and I have breakfast there.
Will adjust the things you said!