18 gauge for drawing?

**turk27** · 09-11-2008, 06:07 PM

I was listening to the Bubba the Love Sponge Show with Danny Bonaduce yesterday and they were talking steroids . During their conversation they were talking about drawing their test with a 18 gauge needle and shooting it with a 23. My question is does drawing with an 18 really all that beneficial versus drawing with the same size needle that you shoot with?

**Mulciber** · 09-11-2008, 06:09 PM

will draw up alot easier but 18g is to big imo.. end up tearing up the rubber stopper after awhile.. i use a 20g to draw.. you dont want to use the same pin to inj that you draw with anyway

**bbuilder** · 09-11-2008, 06:28 PM

Yes, correct. I like to reuse my bottles for sachets, and use a smaller 23g to draw.

**LATS60** · 09-11-2008, 06:40 PM

I use the cheapo 20g yellows to draw.

**Ashop** · 09-11-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by turk27

I was listening to the Bubba the Love Sponge Show with Danny Bonaduce yesterday and they were talking steroids. During their conversation they were talking about drawing their test with a 18 gauge needle and shooting it with a 23. My question is does drawing with an 18 really all that beneficial versus drawing with the same size needle that you shoot with?

18 guage is easier to draw with.

**Mulciber** · 09-11-2008, 09:31 PM

you could draw up motor oil with an 18g pin..

**skinnykenney** · 09-12-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mulciber

will draw up alot easier but 18g is to big imo.. end up tearing up the rubber stopper after awhile.. i use a 20g to draw.. you dont want to use the same pin to inj that you draw with anyway

why can,t you draw and inject with the same needle?The doctor and nurses do it all the time!
the only benefit is a sharper needle to inject with, if you change pins!
changing pins is not any cleaner.
anything inthat vial is drawn intothe syringe, through the needle!
changing pins is not any cleaner!
And what about hgh, insuline and igf? you can.t even change pins on insuline syringes!
This is like an ole' wives tale put in gear terms, (changing pins,LOL!!!!!!)
there is also not much diference in an 18 and 20.
I draw with an 18 all the time so it don't take 5 mins.
I only change pins for a sharper pin "it is no cleaner"

**Amorphic** · 09-12-2008, 09:06 PM

i draw with a 22 and shoot with a 25

**skinnykenney** · 09-12-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

Yes, correct. I like to reuse my bottles for sachets, and use a smaller 23g to draw.

why not buy new bottles,stopers.seals and a crimper?
Or just stopers, seals and acrimper and clean the old bottles?
If you are worried about tearing up the stopers.
This is cleaner than reusing the whole bottle stoper and seal than reuseing the old stuff??????

**mod1-4** · 09-13-2008, 02:53 PM

i change pins from 18 to 23 cuase i think a 18 would really hurt
has nothing to do with sharper or cleaner

**Amorphic** · 09-13-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by mod1-4

i change pins from 18 to 23 cuase i think a 18 would really hurt
has nothing to do with sharper or cleaner

that and 18g will leave some good sizes scar tissue

**rhino1** · 09-13-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by skinnykenney

why can,t you draw and inject with the same needle?The doctor and nurses do it all the time!
the only benefit is a sharper needle to inject with, if you change pins!
changing pins is not any cleaner.
anything inthat vial is drawn intothe syringe, through the needle!
changing pins is not any cleaner!
And what about hgh, insuline and igf? you can.t even change pins on insuline syringes!
This is like an ole' wives tale put in gear terms, (changing pins,LOL!!!!!!)
there is also not much diference in an 18 and 20.
I draw with an 18 all the time so it don't take 5 mins.
I only change pins for a sharper pin "it is no cleaner"

a small sliver of rubber may be in the needle if you do that...you may get an infection or a foreign body injected into yourself...and 18 ga needles tear up the stopper and increase the chances of remaininig juice to become contaminated....

**LATS60** · 09-13-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by skinnykenney

why can,t you draw and inject with the same needle?The doctor and nurses do it all the time!
the only benefit is a sharper needle to inject with, if you change pins!
changing pins is not any cleaner.
anything inthat vial is drawn intothe syringe, through the needle!
changing pins is not any cleaner!
And what about hgh, insuline and igf? you can.t even change pins on insuline syringes!
This is like an ole' wives tale put in gear terms, (changing pins,LOL!!!!!!)
there is also not much diference in an 18 and 20.
I draw with an 18 all the time so it don't take 5 mins.
I only change pins for a sharper pin "it is no cleaner"

We all change pins for a new shiny sharp one with a smaller gauge, so whats your point lol.

**Mulciber** · 09-13-2008, 03:18 PM

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**Flex-Appeal** · 09-13-2008, 04:41 PM

Draw with 21g shoot with 23g...don't plan on changing this either

**zaggahamma** · 09-13-2008, 05:30 PM

i've been doing 18 and 23 with no probs but will try the 21 to 23

**skinnykenney** · 09-13-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

We all change pins for a new shiny sharp one with a smaller gauge, so whats your point lol.

my point is in my thread,LOL

**skinnykenney** · 09-13-2008, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

We all change pins for a new shiny sharp one with a smaller gauge, so whats your point lol.

I can guarantee how reckless people are with the this stuff they don't all change pins every time or have drawn and injected with the same pin!
you are speaking for thousands of people?

**skinnykenney** · 09-13-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by rhino1

a small sliver of rubber may be in the needle if you do that...you may get an infection or a foreign body injected into yourself...and 18 ga needles tear up the stopper and increase the chances of remaininig juice to become contaminated....

I have never had this hapen with an 18g pin and if it would I would see it I look at my stuff before I put it in me!
you have to be smarter than the stopper and not stick it in the same spot every time!LOL!

**skinnykenney** · 09-13-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mulciber

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That is rediculess! 6 times looks very nasty
I bet that dude has a lot of scar tissue!
this should be good enough to show PEOPLE "NEVER REUSE NEEDLES"

**Nitz5785** · 09-13-2008, 07:01 PM

Draw and shoot with a 23g same needle always...What's the rush with drawing anyway? I've been through hundreds of needles too with never an infection.

**physicslifter** · 09-13-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mulciber

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Looks like somebody has access to an SEM!? Cool. I used to run one for my research...very cool tool to use.

**physicslifter** · 09-13-2008, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by turk27

I was listening to the Bubba the Love Sponge Show with Danny Bonaduce yesterday and they were talking steroids. During their conversation they were talking about drawing their test with a 18 gauge needle and shooting it with a 23. My question is does drawing with an 18 really all that beneficial versus drawing with the same size needle that you shoot with?

This is exactly what I do, draw with an 18 ga. needle and inject with a 23 ga. I used to draw and inject with a 23 ga., but it just takes too long to pull a couple of cc's with thicker solutions, plus the 23 ga. is dulled by penetrating the stopper, which results in more scar tissue.

I don't reuse bottles, so the stopper breakdown isn't a problem when using a 10 ml or 20 ml bottle once. I'd rather buy presterilized bottles if I'm home-brewing or transferring from sachets, they're cheap.

**skinnykenney** · 09-13-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by physicslifter

This is exactly what I do, draw with an 18 ga. needle and inject with a 23 ga. I used to draw and inject with a 23 ga., but it just takes too long to pull a couple of cc's with thicker solutions, plus the 23 ga. is dulled by penetrating the stopper, which results in more scar tissue.

I don't reuse bottles, so the stopper breakdown isn't a problem when using a 10 ml or 20 ml bottle once. I'd rather buy presterilized bottles if I'm home-brewing or transferring from sachets, they're cheap.

so far a smart junior member!!!!

**JiGGaMaN** · 09-13-2008, 10:07 PM

draw and shoot with an 18g! just kidding. 18's always tear a piece of rubber out of the stopped for me, so i refuse to use them.

**MercyDog** · 09-13-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

draw and shoot with an 18g! just kidding. 18's always tear a piece of rubber out of the stopped for me, so i refuse to use them.

agree, 18's are used to draw like 20-30+cc's, not daily

**thecivilizedanimal** · 09-14-2008, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by skinnykenney

why can,t you draw and inject with the same needle?The doctor and nurses do it all the time!
the only benefit is a sharper needle to inject with, if you change pins!
changing pins is not any cleaner.
anything inthat vial is drawn intothe syringe, through the needle!
changing pins is not any cleaner!
And what about hgh, insuline and igf? you can.t even change pins on insuline syringes!
This is like an ole' wives tale put in gear terms, (changing pins,LOL!!!!!!)
there is also not much diference in an 18 and 20.
I draw with an 18 all the time so it don't take 5 mins.
I only change pins for a sharper pin "it is no cleaner"

talk to someone like me ( a former piercer ) i can tell yo all about needles and syringes. different cuts , ) from single to quad cuts ) ( 23g to 00g needles )

those sharp edges are far more "fragile ( flexible )" then you know.

it makes a big difference.

**skinnykenney** · 09-15-2008, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by thecivilizedanimal

talk to someone like me ( a former piercer ) i can tell yo all about needles and syringes. different cuts , ) from single to quad cuts ) ( 23g to 00g needles )

those sharp edges are far more "fragile ( flexible )" then you know.

it makes a big difference.

well you are talking to a now practicing tattoo/piercing person 11.5 years of it.
so what do YOU want to know? I have ran my own shop for 5.5 years and counting!
read my thread again. I think you misunderstood!
it basically says use a different pin to inject becaus it is sharper!

**DrTY** · 09-15-2008, 04:18 PM

i draw with a 19 and blast with a 21 gauge.
21 isnt bad to withdraw wither although change the needle before jabbing incase u hit the bottom of the bottle and damage the needle