First Cycle : D-bol/Test-E/HCG/Nolva/Letro

[bboveri]

Looking for some input on how to dose everything properly.


1-10 test enanthate, 250mg 2x week
1-4 D-bol 30mg spread evenly throughout the dya


I have a mild case of pubertal gyno (puffy nips, ductal threading) that hasn't gotten any worse with mild PH use.

My plan is to prevent gyno flare up by using letrozole.

Looking to start letrozole at .25mg ED one week before the start of the cycle and continue it at .25mg ED until I finish the d-bol, then I will switch to .25mg EOD.

I will also have HCG and nolva.

Does 500 i.u. of HCG 2x a week during the last 4 weeks of my cycle seem appropriate?

Should I run letrozole at .25mg eod all the way up until my PCT which will be nolva most likely at 20/20/20/20/20/20?

So the final cycle

One week before cycle start : letro .25mg ed
Wks 1-4 test e 500mg, d-bol 30mg/day, letro .25 ed
5-6 test e 500mg letro .25 mg eod
7-10 test e 500mg, HCG 500 i.u. 2x week, letro .25mg eod
11-12 letro .25mg eod
13-18 nolva 20mg/day


Looking for any input on this.

[bbuilder]

Stats. Age, training experience, and diet.

[bboveri]

22 5'9" 190lbs.

Training for 2.5-3 years.

Diet is 3600+ cals.

Meal 1: .5 cup oat flour, 2 scoops whey in 1 cup milk, 1tbsp PB, 2 oatmeal waffles

meal 2: .5 cup oats, 1 cup yogurt, 1tbsp PB

meal 3: 1 can tuna with mayo, kashi crackers

meal 4: 6 ounces lean beef or chicken, sweet potatoe, some sort of green vegetable

meal 5: 1 cup oats flour, 1 scoop milk and egg protein, 2 cups milk, 1tbsp pb

meal 6: 2 scoops whey post workout

meal 7: .5 cup oats, handful of sunflower seeds, 1 can tuna

meal 8: 1 cup cottage cheese, 1 tbsp PB

["Maximus"]

Thanks for providing the stats before hand!

1-12 test enanthate, 250mg 2x week
1-4 D-bol 30mg spread evenly throughout the dya -OK

I have a mild case of pubertal gyno (puffy nips, ductal threading) that hasn't gotten any worse with mild PH use.

My plan is to prevent gyno flare up by using letrozole. -Good

Looking to start letrozole at .25mg ED one week before the start of the cycle and continue it at .25mg ED until I finish the d-bol, then I will switch to .25mg EOD. -.25ml ED won't hurt you

...run it at .25mg; if you start feeling gyno sides, bump it to .35 - .50! If it gets really out of hand, get some Aromasin (expensive) but it won't be as bad as Nolva on cycle to hinder gains., but feel free to do what you believe is best for you.

I will also have HCG and nolva.

Does 500 i.u. of HCG 2x a week during the -last 2 weeks of my cycle and 2weeks into PCT -seem appropriate?

Should I run letrozole at .25mg ED all the way up until my PCT -yes- which will be nolva most likely at 20/20/20/20/20/20?

Good at the dosed nolva for six weeks.. good job at doing your research.


So the final cycle

One week before cycle start : letro .25mg ed - OR .25mg ed on cycle before PCT-
Wks 1-4 test e 500mg , d-bol 30mg/day, letro .25 ed -OK.
5-6 test e 500mg letro .25 mg eod -Yah, I like this split so OK too.
7-12 test e 500mg, Wks 11-14 HCG 500 i.u. 2x week, letro .25mg eod -OK
13-14 letro .25mg eod -Not really needed here, but it's your call -OK.14-20 nolva 20mg/day -OK too; try to add some Clomid if you can!

Great job; you planned everything right and did your research! Let us know if you need further help on this.

[bboveri]

Thanks for providing the stats before hand!




...run it at .25mg; if you start feeling gyno sides, bump it to .35 - .50! If it gets really out of hand, get some Aromasin (expensive) but it won't be as bad as Nolva on cycle to hinder gains., but feel free to do what you believe is best for you.




Good at the dosed nolva for six weeks.. good job at doing your research.


So the final cycle


Great job; you planned everything right and did your research! Let us know if you need further help on this.

Maximus,

Thanks for your input on the cycle.

I can only run 10 weeks of test because that is all I have.

I am confused on the PCT portion.

On a 10 week cycle of test e, would I run HCG weeks 6-10 (500 i.u. 2x week), then 2 weeks after week 10 I start my PCT of nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20?

From what I have read, I want to stop the HCG before PCT to allow the leydig cells to "re-sensitize" themselves. Is this correct? Also, letro all the way up UNTIL PCT, correct?

Thanks for any input you may have on this.

["Maximus"]

10 weeks is fine!

Since you have gyno from puberty, I would run the entire cycle as follows:

-Letro on cycle .25mg all the way up til PCT; you can stop it one day before PCT start, so the Nolva/Clomid can take over. Also, I suggest you to get some Clomid before you start.

-The hcg can be run on weeks 12-14 at 500ius 2x week.

So putting it all together:

Wks 1-10 500mgs Test E 2x week
Wks 1-4 30mg ED Dbol
Wks 1-12 .25mg Letro on cycle ED or EotherD
-in case of gyno-
Wks 1-12 Nolva 20mg ED in case you start nociting gyno, bump the dosage accordingly if needed.

PCT:
Wks 13-18 Nolva 20mg/Clomid 25mg
Wks 12-14 hcg 500ius 2x week

[WARMachine]

Are you really that gyno prone that you need Letro for a Test E cycle?

And whats with the Nolva on cycle? Isnt that what the Letro was for? ^^

[bboveri]

Are you really that gyno prone that you need Letro for a Test E cycle?

And whats with the Nolva on cycle? Isnt that what the Letro was for? ^^

I do not want to risk gyno at all, even if it means risking a couple pounds of muscle.

I doubt I will need the nolva.

Thanks for all the help, Maximus. I will go with that protocol.

[bboveri]

Ok guys, I did my first injection Sunday night with a gear vet.


Everything went smooth, but my delt is so sore. No swelling or redness or heat to the touch, just like a real real sever case of DOMS.

I did legs yesterday and the pain kind of got less intense, but woke up this morning and it's back to where it was, maybe a little worse.

Is this just because of a virgin muscle getting pinned? I injected slowly. Used a 1.5" 23g and went in about 1.25".

I'm set to pin tomorrow in the quad, but if the pain will be this bad again, I am going to have a hard time explaining to people at work why I can't do anything.

I've taken some OTC pain killers and rubbed some Biofreeze on it, and it helps a little.

I have chest/biceps tonight, hoping this pain won't interfere.

[BUDGIE]

its not a good idea to take nolva whilst taking letro

[WARMachine]

I already said, DONT TAKE NOLVA ON CYCLE! and dont take it if you are already using Letro...

Sounds like a case of the virgin muscles to me. Try taking a shower before and after injections. Keep a heat pad on it at night, it will help.

[bboveri]

Ok I actually got another vial of test E and made it a 12 week cycle.

My question is this, where the hell are the gains I was expecting?

Diet was in check, even added an extra shake with oats/milk/whey in the middle of the night.

Made some decent gains off of the D-bol, but the test didn't do anything for me. Not even a single pound really.

I ran 2 vials of one brand of test, and the last vial was another (both UG).

I only gained 6lbs on this cycle, I don't understand. I ate like crazy, and even cheated frequently. I made some decent strength gains, but the size gains just weren't there.

I have 2 more weeks of 1000i.u. HCG/week and then I will start 6 weeks of nolva 20mg/day.

Do I just not respond to test that well? I wonder how people are finishing cycles 15-20lbs heavier? Someone enlighten me on if I did anything wrong.

[sitries]

unfortunatly just test is fake dude. no1 just 'doesnt react to test'. your 1st cycle with that diet should of yielded 20-30lbs of muscle gains. find a new source and get onto pct immediately.;

[bboveri]

unfortunatly just test is fake dude. no1 just 'doesnt react to test'. your 1st cycle with that diet should of yielded 20-30lbs of muscle gains. find a new source and get onto pct immediately.;

I used a new source for my third vial. Read great reviews on the gear (QV). I will say my libido was better on the 3rd vial than the first 2 which were a different brand. People even told me the first 2 vials were legit but I wasn't sure.

I'm just disappointed and it makes me feel like I did something wrong on this cycle.

[Brown Ninja]

The only thing it sounds like you did wrong on this cycle was get taken by your first source. Sorry man, that sucks.