Is there a better way?

[Raylike]

Hi any advice would be welcomed.
Stats
Age 39,Height 5` 7",95kgs,Body fat about 20%.

I have being training for about 18yrs,last cycle was 3 months ago

Six week cycle;
Prop (100ml) Week 1-6, 1ml every second day
Deca(200ml) Week 1-6, 2ml three times a week
Cyp (100ml) Week 1-6 , 1ml three times a week
Enanthanate(250mg) Week 1-6 1ml three times per week
Stano 25mg/tabs Week 1-6 50mg per day

PCT
Tamox Week 2,1 per day. Weeks 3-5 ,2 per day. Week 6 ,1 per day
Clomid Weeks 4-6, 1 per day
HCG 5000iu Week 3 ,Mon Weds Fri. Week 6, Mon Wed Fri.

I was thinking of running it again,if this not a good idea any suggestions.I have stocked well on various gear,all sorts,keep looking at them like a kid in a toy store.
Thanks
Rayman

[bbuilder]

Excellent......someone is asking a question that is over 17...cool.

You're going to need to rethink this cycle. The Test E takes a while to kick in, at least 5-6 weeks and you're going to stop it right when it kicks in.

Run a cycle correctly this time. Something like Test E for 16 weeks maybe by itself, or if you have Deca with that.

[Reed]

Hi any advice would be welcomed.
Stats
Age 39,Height 5` 7",95kgs,Body fat about 20%.

I have being training for about 18yrs,last cycle was 3 months ago

Six week cycle;
Prop (100ml) Week 1-6, 1ml every second day
Deca(200ml) Week 1-6, 2ml three times a week
Cyp (100ml) Week 1-6 , 1ml three times a week
Enanthanate(250mg) Week 1-6 1ml three times per week
Stano 25mg/tabs Week 1-6 50mg per day

PCT
Tamox Week 2,1 per day. Weeks 3-5 ,2 per day. Week 6 ,1 per day
Clomid Weeks 4-6, 1 per day
HCG 5000iu Week 3 ,Mon Weds Fri. Week 6, Mon Wed Fri.

I was thinking of running it again,if this not a good idea any suggestions.I have stocked well on various gear,all sorts,keep looking at them like a kid in a toy store.
Thanks
Rayman

First what is mg per ml. I'd say pick one of the long test esters and stick with it. This cycle is way out of whack.

Use the Prop to kick start (wk1-5), run the deca for 10 weeks and run either the En or the Cyp (which ever is cheaper) for 12 weeks.

But someone needs to address the fact that your bf% is way past the recommended range to be cycling in. This makes the side effects worse. Go into the diet forum and lower your bf% to around 10-12% range (lower the better) then consider a redesigning the cycle

[bbuilder]

Well said Reed.

[Raylike]

Thanks for the reply mate, i havent used gear throughout,so i am quite a novice with the use.
Are you serious ,Test E for 16 weeks by its self,surely not,even with the Deca.I am certain my cycle is slightly better.
Not shitting on you,i just dont agree.

[bbuilder]

If you run Test for the amount of time you did, it's useless. It's just kicking in by the time you quit. Why do that?

Your cycle would do nothing for gains.

[Reed]

Thanks for the reply mate, i havent used gear throughout,so i am quite a novice with the use.
Are you serious ,Test E for 16 weeks by its self,surely not,even with the Deca.I am certain my cycle is slightly better.
Not shitting on you,i just dont agree.

List your previous cycle experience. I forgot to mention the Stanzo but at the same time you have to get you bf% in check before a cycle. You also HAVE to list the mg to ml so we know the amounts you are running

[Reed]

If you run Test for the amount of time you did, it's useless. It's just kicking in by the time you quit. Why do that?

Your cycle would do nothing for gains.

Yes you could do 6 weeks but the only thing thats working is the prop and stanzo, the rest is wasted. How were you planning to inject the prop ed or eod I hope

[Raylike]

Hi Reed,
Thanks for the advice,I have started sorting out the fat,i was planning to run clen/t3 with the above cycle, for 6 week.I was going to use clen/t3 course from here.

I meant ml/mg. ie 100ml per milligram
Like i said i have very little experince designing cycles,please advice

[Raylike]

Reed
Yes i was injecting prop eod.
Perhaps you could suggest a "size" cycle,please.
Regards.

[Raylike]

bbuilder
Thanks for the advice,any ideas mate?

[widowmaker2]

im still curious as to why ppl are still refering to iu's in the 1000's..you do realize that one full U-100 syringe is 100 iu's..ok are we all following?? good. so if your doing 5000iu's of hcg a week that= 50 U-100 syringes full of hcg.. this is very misleading to all the new members. and i highly doubt that you are pumping that much hcg into your system 3x per week and if you are its a complete waste of money..

[Reed]

Hi Reed,
Thanks for the advice,I have started sorting out the fat,i was planning to run clen/t3 with the above cycle, for 6 week.I was going to use clen/t3 course from here.

I meant ml/mg. ie 100ml per milligram
Like i said i have very little experince designing cycles,please advice

I'm thinking you mean the opposite, 100mg per ml, god I hope so, haha. Anyway besides cycling experience what about training and dieting experience. All the drugs in the world are useless without proper nutrition and diet. You say you have been training for 18 years thats a looooong time, thats why I'd think it might serve best to lower the bodyfat first (t3/clen) then get you a cycle together. Because all those drugs especially the fat burning drugs are going to be hard on your body (mostly I say your heart) and at your bf% it could be disaster.

[Reed]

I'm trying to keep you in the dark for a reason honestly. Because once I tell you how to run it right, more than likely your gonna run it anyway without the proper things in order. I mean granted you may not die but I try to emphasize hard work ethic instead of relying on drug use for the body

[Reed]

im still curious as to why ppl are still refering to iu's in the 1000's..you do realize that one full U-100 syringe is 100 iu's..ok are we all following?? good. so if your doing 5000iu's of hcg a week that= 50 U-100 syringes full of hcg.. this is very misleading to all the new members. and i highly doubt that you are pumping that much hcg into your system 3x per week and if you are its a complete waste of money..

Yes their are a lot of things wrong here, he didn't list the amounts of anything but I'm trying to take baby steps first.

PCT looked good but no dosages.

[Raylike]

Yes ,i did mean 100mg per ml.
Major typo.
A brief history,i have competed several years ago,won a few comps here,won a few comps at home.I came here,uk,13 years ago,and have only done a max of about ten cycles. The last was the afore mentioned,before that 2006 was the last time i used gear.Cant even remember the cycle.
The above cycle i got from a mate at the gym.
Should i use it but for 12-14 weeks instead?Apart form the clen/t3
Thanks

[Reed]

Raylike my suggestion for you would to be run the clen/t3 while on a lean mass building diet and too old off on the cycle till you lower the bf%

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6: <------ Start here

[widowmaker2]

he did list the amount of hcg he was doing on his last cycle.

"HCG 5000iu Week 3 ,Mon Weds Fri. Week 6, Mon Wed Fri."

[Reed]

Yes ,i did mean 100mg per ml.
Major typo.
A brief history,i have competed several years ago,won a few comps here,won a few comps at home.I came here,uk,13 years ago,and have only done a max of about ten cycles. The last was the afore mentioned,before that 2006 was the last time i used gear.Cant even remember the cycle.
The above cycle i got from a mate at the gym.
Should i use it but for 12-14 weeks instead?Apart form the clen/t3
Thanks

Refer to post 3 and thats how it should be done. Look into the educational threads and understand esters. This is the thread that helped me when I first started to poke around a couple a years ago before I decided to join: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265484

Easy to read .

[Reed]

he did list the amount of hcg he was doing on his last cycle.

"HCG 5000iu Week 3 ,Mon Weds Fri. Week 6, Mon Wed Fri."

Yes but I hope he isn't dosing it at that amount. Thats probably for the whole duration and with only 5000iu it be best to run a 16 week cycle and use it the last 4 weeks

[Raylike]

Thanks,
The reason for the high bf ,is a 5 month lay off eating crap.Normally it is much lower,ie abs are fairly visable ,with clear vascularity,ie veins on forearms and biceps.
I have a fair amount of diet experince,my problem is planning cycles.
Thanks

[Raylike]

Yes i was dosing it at that amount,hangs head in shame,like i said i need help.

[ghettoboyd]

if i were you i would listen to the more experianced peeps on this board. thay know what thay r talking about. if i had a dollar for every person who starts a thread about a cycle that a "friend" recomended(and poorly advised i might add) id be a rich man. these guys r trying to help you not hurt yourself.im having a little trouble with the fact that you have run 10 cycles already and dont realy know all that much about the gear your using and how to use it.im not trying to flame you bro but 10 cycles in 18 years and your bf is like 20% tells me you need to reasurch diets more.good luck whatever you decide to do.respectfully,boyd

[Reed]

Thanks,
The reason for the high bf ,is a 5 month lay off eating crap.Normally it is much lower,ie abs are fairly visable ,with clear vascularity,ie veins on forearms and biceps.
I have a fair amount of diet experince,my problem is planning cycles.
Thanks

Well my friend get back to where you were then start the cycle. If you say your training and diet are in check your bf% should be as well. You still have time left to get things back in order then do a proper cycle. Trust me it will serve you better in the long run

Yes i was dosing it at that amount,hangs head in shame,like i said i need help.

I hope your confused because you probably weren't taking all 5000iu's at once.

Here you go:http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=HCG+crash

Good luck buddy do some reading, understand what you are doing, and then come back and propose a better cycle. Its better to teach a man to fish.

[Raylike]

Thanks all for the advice,i will research.Thank you all

[Reed]

My philosophy is if they don't have their cycle right when they first post it then they need to go back and do more research. This is serious business and should never be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone that wants to cycle needs to know exactly what they are doing at all times and never have someone holding their hand. I hope I was a help Raylike and good lifting to you bud

[ghettoboyd]

i thinck you advised him well my man.

[Raylike]

Yes ,you are right.
Feed me ,you feed me for a day.
Teach me to fish.......Then i will be a monster lol!
Thanks again.