Injection info

[darrenjan]

So guys, i m doing sustan 250 twice a week with thai anabols. But then this is my first time injecting so here are the outcomes...during the 1st jab on my shoulder, it swell n have a little bruisng n the next one was on my glutes suffering muscle cramps

So, is this very normal? or did i hot the wrong part coz i am using a 23G needle n i shot it full deep. Any opinons?

[Flex-Appeal]

sust twice a week is wrong! injections are eod.
how long is the needle?
1.5 inch for glutes
1 inch for shoulders

[darrenjan]

thx flex using the 1.5 inch ones.haha.
BUt then some members said its ok doing it every mon $ thurs..coz low on budget. Majoirty wise is should be ok rite?
As alsso i am a begginer this is my first cycle ^^

[Flex-Appeal]

low on money? a couple more needles dosen't cost jack bro
your blood lvl's are completly unstable with twice a week injections
i wouldn't shoot 1.5 inch in my shoulders
1 inch is for shoulders

[kloter1]

sus needs to be shot every other day. pins are real cheap so get some. the swelling and brusing are normal.

[Flex-Appeal]

if you want to shoot twice a week then you need to ditch the sust
go get some test enth instead
far better in my eyes

[darrenjan]

OK i jab them eod....but with a reduced dosage coz i plan to get a threshold of 500mg a week so i divide them 0.7 cc EOD?/ guide me guys...no choice i cant ditch the sustan's....i ll go to TE's in my next cycle next year. sobs sobs for now i ll stick to em'

[Amorphic]

agree with everone in stating that sust should be shot ed or eod. i personally use a 25g pin for all shots.

[darrenjan]

Haha, me too i m using 23G as recomeded by some people since i m using an oil based sustan 250. Any opinion on the 0.7cc EOD shot? anyone? compared to the twice a week 1cc shot..

[aussieash]

it's ok the shots are never pleasant.

A good place to inject is the upper outside of the thigh. There may be slightly more pain but the cork goes faster and there will be less bruising if any.

[oker]

it's ok the shots are never pleasant.

A good place to inject is the upper outside of the thigh. There may be slightly more pain but the cork goes faster and there will be less bruising if any.

I'd really like to see a pic of that, a pic of someone shooting "the upper outside of the thigh", as mine hurt like hell the next day on the middle part of the thigh so wanna find another place.

[LATS60]

sust twice a week is wrong! injections are eod.
how long is the needle?
1.5 inch for glutes
1 inch for shoulders

Sust 2xwk is fine, take no notice of ppl who say you have to jab sust more often, they don't understand the concept of multi esters or the pharmacokinetics of sustanon.

Post injection pain can literally be a pain in the butt, amongst other places.
Hygiene and sterility, pre injection is obviously paramount in avoiding PIP.
We all know what that means, for those who don't it's in the stickies.

Ok, for the last month iv'e been using the Z track method and found that PIP especially in my quads is practically non-existent.

How to employ the Z track method?
Firstly get your injection point, then pull the skin across or down from that point, this moves the cutaneous and subcutaneous tissues a centimetre or two, this helps reduce the sensitivity of nerve endings, remembering to keep an eye on the injection point.

Next insert the needle sharply in at a 90dg angle to the depth you need.
Inject the steroid (after aspirating) at a rate of about 10 secs/ml, when fully injected keep the needle in place for another 10secs, so allowing the steroid to disperse into the muscle.
Remove the syringe quickly, at exactly the angle you went in and release the skin, this is what stops any of your steroid leaking out and reduces bleeds, then apply a little pressure to the area, but don't massage the area, this can cause some of the oil to be released back up the needle track and into subcutaneous tissue, which can lead to swelling and PIP.

Exercising the muscle afterwards will assist the absorption of the steroid by increasing blood flow to the area.

Finally, if you know where and how to inject safely into the ventrogluteal muscle, this is the best choice as there are no major nerves or blood vessel.

[oker]

Sust 2xwk is fine, take no notice of ppl who say you have to jab sust more often, they don't understand the concept of multi esters or the pharmacokinetics of sustanon.

Absolutely correct! Sust was created and designed specifically for hrt/trt and in this case injections are taken every 3 weeks at a minimal dose.

[darrenjan]

ok so i stick back to my 2cc / wk dose jabbing on mon n thursday.
About the jabbings its not a hastle its just get a little bruising pain after that but its mine. And my aseptic techniques are well uder tight control. i bath everythime b4 injection n keep the site clean with an alcohol swab, so far no infections jus itching n minor bruisng.


hhaa, btw, i keep all my shots at the shoulders n glutes. The pain is ntg thus far. Never hit any nerve endings till now

[Flex-Appeal]

Absolutely correct! Sust was created and designed specifically for hrt/trt and in this case injections are taken every 3 weeks at a minimal dose.

I could not disagree more. Sust needs to be shot eod for anyone bodybuilding(which is you)
He is not on hrt dude.
Stop telling him he needs to shoot twice a week.
Terrible advice IMO

[Flex-Appeal]

.5 ml eod is the norm.
Shoot twice a week then eod then compare results.
It's ovious what is the correct choice(eod)

[LATS60]

I could not disagree more. Sust needs to be shot eod for anyone bodybuilding(which is you)
He is not on hrt dude.
Stop telling him he needs to shoot twice a week.
Terrible advice IMO

I'm going to like this WHY?

[LATS60]

Good advice oker, someone with some common sense who understands multi estered tests.

[Flex-Appeal]

ok so i stick back to my 2cc / wk dose jabbing on mon n thursday.
About the jabbings its not a hastle its just get a little bruising pain after that but its mine. And my aseptic techniques are well uder tight control. i bath everythime b4 injection n keep the site clean with an alcohol swab, so far no infections jus itching n minor bruisng.


hhaa, btw, i keep all my shots at the shoulders n glutes. The pain is ntg thus far. Never hit any nerve endings till now

it's your first cycle, you will learn one day
If you were smart you would seek more advice from vet's on this topic

[LATS60]

it's your first cycle, you will learn one day
If you were smart you would seek more advice from vet's on this topic

If you were smart you would do your reseach on the pharmacokinetics of sustanon and not give out bad advice.

[Flex-Appeal]

If you were smart you would do your reseach on the pharmacokinetics of sustanon and not give out bad advice.

Ok post a poll smart ass!
How often to shoot sust
Look at rest of thread are the others that agree with me stupid with bad advice as well?
Quit insulting my intelligence and back up your words with factional info. Links to sites and all.
I would love for you to prove me wrong

[Flex-Appeal]

Sust was not created for bodybuilders, so a bodybuilder would dose this compound differently then what a doc would prescribe.
Why would you want the fluctuating blood lvls with injects twice a week
Sust was created so patients would not have to have frequent injects correct?
The patients are not taking it for bodybuildiing either!
Do you understand my argument

[LATS60]

Ok post a poll smart ass!
How often to shoot sust
Look at rest of thread are the others that agree with me stupid with bad advice as well?
Quit insulting my intelligence and back up your words with factional info. Links to sites and all.
I would love for you to prove me wrong

Poll would be irrelevant, Answer my Q ( why do you need to shoot EOD)then i'll post you the medical and scientific facts on the pharmacokinetics of sustanon, or just ask marcus 3000 we had an interesting debate on this when he was banned from this board for a while.

[darrenjan]

Cool down guys....
Lets not start a war here? Its jus the good-old sustanon debate... twice a week. EOD ///which is the right choice? i personally beleive both are corrrect its jus up to the user.
Lets see what the explaniation would be, but i personally think many ppl out there uses both twice n EOD system on sustanon

[LATS60]

Ah, it's just a freindly debate, im still waiting for the answer to my Q from flex.
In the meantime i'll just nip off and do my wkly jab of 750mg sust.

[Flex-Appeal]

lat I'm on my phone right now bro but I will get you the links in a bit when I get on comp at the house.
When it's all said and done though it's all opinion; to each his own

[LATS60]

lat I'm on my phone right now bro but I will get you the links in a bit when I get on comp at the house.
When it's all said and done though it's all opinion; to each his own

True mate it is a MOO, i guess we will probably have to agree to disagree.
I wait with baited breath for your answer

[Flex-Appeal]

ok Lats, here is your answer: (*not in my own words, but i get my point across)
Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.
Propionate: Chemical Structure C3H6O2.
Also referred to as Carboxyethane; hydroacrylic acid; Methylacetic acid; Ethylformic acid; Ethanecarboxylic acid; metacetonic acid; pseudoacetic acid; Propionic Acid. Propionate esters will slow the release of a steroid for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected two to three times weekly. Testosterone propionate and methandriol dipropionate (two separate propionate esters attached to the parent steroid methandriol) are popular items.
Phenylpropionate: Chemical Structure C9H10O2.
Also referred to as Propionic Acid Phenyl Ester. Phenylpropionate will extend the release of active steroid a few days longer than propionate. To keep blood levels even, injections are given at least twice weekly. Durabolin is the drug most commonly seen with a phenylpropionate ester (nandrolone phenylpropionate), although it is also used with testosterone in Sustanon and Omnadren.

[LATS60]

Ok mate, you have shown me an article that says prop needs to be injected 2or 3x wkly the same for the pheynl at least 2xwkly, i don't dispute that fact, so your basically saying because of these two short esters sust should be taken EOD? have i got that right?

Let me explain.


Pharmacokinetics
SUSTANON 250 contains four esters of testosterone with different durations of action. The esters are hydrolyzed into the natural hormone testosterone as soon as they enter the general circulation.

Absorption
A single dose of SUSTANON 250 leads to an increase of total plasma testosterone with peak levels of approximately 70 nmol/l (Cmax), which are reached approximately 24-48hrs (tmax) after administration. Plasma testosterone levels return to the lower limit of the normal range in males in approximately 21 days.
Summary.
So put simply, the esters release at the same time, they just have different durations of action.

Sustanon was named specifically because it gave a SUSTained release of action.
Sustanon in comparison to a single estered test is that it provides a constant sustained release of test over a longer period.

For our purposes sustanon can be shot 2xwk and give incredibly stable plasma test levels. Look at any comparison graph showing the release rate of sustanon and a single estered product, they will both show a pretty identical logarithmic curve, the only difference is the sust peak will be higher and the duration of the curve will be longer.
If you wish i can find the link to a clinical endo comparison chart.

[Flex-Appeal]

Oh I have a chart for you

[LATS60]

Oh I have a chart for you

Can't wait, did you read and understand my post?

[Flex-Appeal]

Yep! Two sides to every story bro
Good read though, learned a thing or two

[oker]

I could not disagree more. Sust needs to be shot eod for anyone bodybuilding(which is you)
He is not on hrt dude.
Stop telling him he needs to shoot twice a week.
Terrible advice IMO

Where did I tell him he needs to shoot twice a week!!!???? I merely stated that sust was created for trt and therefore could be shot, for example, once every three weeks, every two weeks, or indeed twice a week, and still be of value to the body builder. Get your facts straight bro and read my post correctly. And you are the one giving out bad advice here and most of the more advanced members would agree! Sust can be shot twice a week and still be of benifit since there are long esters in the compound, the short esters are merely there to provide some quick test to the body. Do your research!

[oker]

Good advice oker, someone with some common sense who understands multi estered tests.

Cheers bro, I hear where you are coming from

[oker]

Ok post a poll smart ass!
How often to shoot sust
Look at rest of thread are the others that agree with me stupid with bad advice as well?
Quit insulting my intelligence and back up your words with factional info. Links to sites and all.
I would love for you to prove me wrong

It has nothing to do with what others think and a poll doesn't prove anything except that the compound may be more affective eod. The point here is that it can be shot twice a week for the novice and you can still get good gains from it. I've done it bothj ways and I see no difference in terms of gains

[oker]

Cool down guys....
Lets not start a war here? Its jus the good-old sustanon debate... twice a week. EOD ///which is the right choice? i personally beleive both are corrrect its jus up to the user.
Lets see what the explaniation would be, but i personally think many ppl out there uses both twice n EOD system on sustanon

My point exactly, it depends on the user, and for a novice twice a week is better. I see in the end the discussion worked out well anyway. Both sides have good points here but ultimately if this is DJ's first cycle (and one should take the time to ask this of the thread starter) then twice a week will surfice and stable blood levels will still be maintained at that frequency.

[LATS60]

My point exactly, it depends on the user.

Exactly, my point in post #29 was in response to sust needs to be shot EOD by poster #2.and#5.

[oker]

Exactly, my point in post #29 was in response to sust needs to be shot EOD by poster #2.and#5.

Lats, where are you from in the UK? A good mate of mine who lives here in Thailand is from Cheltenham, are you anywhere near there?

[Flex-Appeal]

It has nothing to do with what others think and a poll doesn't prove anything except that the compound may be more affective eod. The point here is that it can be shot twice a week for the novice and you can still get good gains from it. I've done it bothj ways and I see no difference in terms of gains

WOW you could not have said it better...its ovious you can shoot any compound at any ammount even once a week. Now why would you not want the more beneficial route with eod injects.
"it can be" yea of course it can
but its nice to see you post again on this thread, thought it was dead. Lats and I already had the debate on this.

[oker]

WOW you could not have said it better...its ovious you can shoot any compound at any ammount even once a week. Now why would you not want the more beneficial route with eod injects.
"it can be" yea of course it can
but its nice to see you post again on this thread, thought it was dead. Lats and I already had the debate on this.

Yeah I know bro and read the debate between you and lats, and answered each one in turn. As mentioned, I've done it both ways (eod) and twice and week and have seen no difference in terms of gains. In both situations I used exactly the same amount of sust, go figure.