Help for a newbie (yes i read theeh newbie pack) :)

[lew00029478]

Guys, firstly thanks for all the information on this site, its great. However there is just SO much information out there that im finding it hard to make decisions etc about how to start.

Ive been training for about 6 months now and traning naturaly ive gained 3 stones in weight, most of it godo weight apart from a bit of a gut but hardly suprising my calory intake lol (ill sort that out later lol)

Ive made the decision to start on the roids and i have done a fair bit of research and spoken to various people etc about whats best. Some say sus250 others say dianabol and all sorts of other stuff. I know i want to go for injectabels rather than oral for usre but im not entirly sure what to go for.

Does anyone have any suggestions or experinces they can share about what to take for a new starter and how much to take etc please? I realise its a big open question but im sure someone has useful advice.....

cheers

[bbuilder]

Keep training longer. You've only trained for "6 months". You need more natural training before thinking about gear.

[lew00029478]

ok but could you give me a reason as to whay you say that? whats your thinking behind that statement please? The reason i wanted to start on gear is that i have hit a plateu in my gains and yes, you could argue that im taking the 'easy option' but surely thats why most people take the juice? or am i wrong?

[Planethuge]

ok but could you give me a reason as to whay you say that? whats your thinking behind that statement please? The reason i wanted to start on gear is that i have hit a plateu in my gains and yes, you could argue that im taking the 'easy option' but surely thats why most people take the juice? or am i wrong?

Everyone hits plateaus,whether you're a beginner or an advanced lifter. After only 6 months of training...the plateau you're hitting is easily surpassed through proper diet and supplementation, along with dedicated training. When you get to a point where you can say to yourself that you've given it your all with diet, supps, and training and you plateau for a LONG time then I would take steroids into consideration.

[LATS60]

Everyone hits plateaus,whether you're a beginner or an advanced lifter. After only 6 months of training...the plateau you're hitting is easily surpassed through proper diet and supplementation, along with dedicated training. When you get to a point where you can say to yourself that you've given it your all with diet, supps, and training and you plateau for a LONG time then I would take steroids into consideration.

Nice, that says it all.

[wukillabee]

ok but could you give me a reason as to whay you say that? whats your thinking behind that statement please? The reason i wanted to start on gear is that i have hit a plateu in my gains and yes, you could argue that im taking the 'easy option' but surely thats why most people take the juice? or am i wrong?

Omg, u are completely wrong! Do more research such as on diet, workout routines, and even simple supplements. Train for another couple years, gain at least 30lbs naturally, then think about aas. Even then bro, got to get a diet right as well as enough rest ed and a workout routine that works for u and has variety. I went from 130lbs to 200lbs before touching aas in a course of about 6yrs bro, u need more time.

[lew00029478]

Hey guys, thansk for your input. However as i said already (please dont be offended) id already made the decision to start the gear and i see no benefit in me training for another 2 years when i can getter quicker gains now.
My diet is pretty spot on and my routine is a 4 split routine (which includes legs and back before anyone asks lol) and as ive said, ive put on 3stones which im happy with.

Im 35 years old and weigh 14 stones and 6ft tall.

~AS i said i really do appreciate your advice and imnot saying yoru worng to advise me as you have done but ive made my mind up on this. All i need to do now is decide (with yoru help hopefully) what the best course of action would be from here in terms of what to use and how often etc.

Hope someone can advise me Thanks again fellers

[LATS60]

Well in that case, test E/CYP/sust, 10-12wks 250-500mg wk.
Remember to do PCT and have some extra meds in case of gyno issues

[*ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*]

Hey guys, thansk for your input. However as i said already (please dont be offended) id already made the decision to start the gear and i see no benefit in me training for another 2 years when i can getter quicker gains now.
My diet is pretty spot on and my routine is a 4 split routine (which includes legs and back before anyone asks lol) and as ive said, ive put on 3stones which im happy with.

Im 35 years old and weigh 14 stones and 6ft tall.

~AS i said i really do appreciate your advice and imnot saying yoru worng to advise me as you have done but ive made my mind up on this. All i need to do now is decide (with yoru help hopefully) what the best course of action would be from here in terms of what to use and how often etc.

Hope someone can advise me Thanks again fellers

Well then a test only cycle for 12 weeks run at 500mgs is my recommendation. Pct Nolva 2 weeks after last test shot run for 3 weeks at 40/20/20

[LATS60]

That PCT mate looks totally inadequate, are you sure thats enough?

[*ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*]

That PCT mate looks totally inadequate, are you sure thats enough?

For a test only cycle id say so yes and thats what i have run in the past.

[lew00029478]

Well in that case, test E/CYP/sust, 10-12wks 250-500mg wk.
Remember to do PCT and have some extra meds in case of gyno issues

Cheers to both of you for the suggestions.

Could you just explain the 'test E/CYP/sust' part to me in laymans terms?

So would would i need to buy then for this cycle? I know that 'sust' is Sustanon but unsure what the ohter parts means bearing in mind im still learning please

Thanks

[LATS60]

Cheers to both of you for the suggestions.

Could you just explain the 'test E/CYP/sust' part to me in laymans terms?

So would would i need to buy then for this cycle? I know that 'sust' is Sustanon but unsure what the ohter parts means bearing in mind im still learning please

Thanks

Just different esters mate, IE test enanthate or test cypionate, they are the carrier for the test in this case they are both long esters so don't need to be shot as often as a short ester like test propionate.
So you need some test mate, 1 10ml vial of test E @ 250mg ml would give you a 10wk cycle if you shot 1ml wk.
Sust for example 20 amps 250mg ml would give you a 10wk cycle if you shot 2 amps (500mg wk), it makes little diff, test is test so just get what you can.

[*ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*]

Cheers to both of you for the suggestions.

Could you just explain the 'test E/CYP/sust' part to me in laymans terms?
They all mean Testosterone. Just different types.

So would would i need to buy then for this cycle? I know that 'sust' is Sustanon but unsure what the ohter parts means bearing in mind im still learning please
Youd need to buy for a 12 weeks cycle dosed at 500mgs 6000mgs of test of your choice also youd need to buy nolva lets say 20mgs tabs youd need to buy for my pct 28 tabs.

Thanks

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