Second Cycle Options

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 12:16 AM

sup boys. I am getting ready to run another cycle and i have a few options ahead of me.

I'm in school right now full time and some of my days are 11-13 hours so i am frantically trying to make enough food ahead of time to last me through the day.

with my busy schedule i just barely manage to meet my diet and training requirements so this factors into what cycles i am thinking about for my second cycle.

stats are 22 years old, 5'10", 212 pounds, 13% bf. last cycle was prop/npp.

option 1:

test e 500-800mgs/w for 5-6 months. This is a pretty interesting idea for me. my logic behind this is to run a long cycle to keep me anabolic through the semester so that my crazy schedule doesnt cut into my gains. I know test isnt the biggest builder so i'm kind of wondering if this a worthwhile route to to take. convienience wise it would be great.

option 2:

prop 100mgs/ed for 10-11 weeks
tren ace 100mgs/ed for 8 weeks

pct for both is nolva/aromasin and i might use hcg this time around through the cycle to help recovery.

what do you guys think? long estered cycle to get some moderate gains through the winter or an all out blitz to cut up with the tren?

**Reed** · 09-15-2008, 12:19 AM

I'd say option 2 is the smart route

**Deltasaurus** · 09-15-2008, 12:19 AM

i think option 3 =make another option and post plz

**peachfuzz** · 09-15-2008, 12:20 AM

option 2. wouldnt even consider option 1. not at your age.

and how long has it been since your last schedule? could have sworn you just finished up PCT.

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by A2thej2008

i think option 3 =make another option and post plz

no other options no. its one or the other.

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

option 2. wouldnt even consider option 1. not at your age.

and how long has it been since your last schedule? could have sworn you just finished up PCT.

pct is done yeah, this wont be for a while, just getting ready to order my stuff and have it all on hand

**oneshot** · 09-15-2008, 12:23 AM

number 2 fo sho. but thats still pretty intense for a first run on tren . as long as you have an idea of what to expect i dont think the sides will be that bad, of course i only went up to 60 mg on my run. after a 13 weeker i dont really care to run anything longer then 10 weeks again if possible. dont think the delayed recovery time is worth the minuscule gains achieved after the 8-10 week mark. i would think being on for 6 months would be pretty hard to fully come back from

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 09-15-2008, 12:24 AM

Can i ask why prop in option 2? Considering you want convenience.

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by *ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*

Can i ask why prop in option 2? Considering you want convenience.

i have no problems with injection frequency. main reason for cycle 2 is the change in body composition i can obtain with tren .

**stallion_1** · 09-15-2008, 12:29 AM

id go with test e and either deca or tren enth with some good dbol or anadrol

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 09-15-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

i have no problems with injection frequency. main reason for cycle 2 is the change in body composition i can obtain with tren.

Well i would definately go with option 2 then.

**Auss11e** · 09-15-2008, 12:30 AM

option 2 for sure!

Plus i found this (i'm sure you've read it) very interesting in regards to tren and maybe not eating quite enough.
Unsure of the extent of this though.

"Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency…well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency".

**Freakish** · 09-15-2008, 07:10 AM

sup amorphic,yeah 1 would be convenient hey lol,but id definitely go with option 2.a good solid cycle,make some great gains.il also start off the tren A at 75mg ed just to see how you react to it.after 4wks up it to 100mg,either way bro let us know with what u go with

**Big** · 09-15-2008, 07:13 AM

+1 for option 2.

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 08:29 AM

sounds good guys, prop/tren it is. thanks for the input

**bbuilder** · 09-15-2008, 09:05 AM

You are too young. Just a child.

Read these forums....

When you SHOULDN'T use AAS imho....

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

You are too young. Just a child.

Read these forums....

When you SHOULDN'T use AAS imho....

the decision to do what i do is my own. i dont believe i am too young. i work hard at the gym and ive spent a long time educating myself on how to safely run cycles. i know the risks/benefits of the drugs i choose to put in my body.

i know where you're coming from but it wont change how i plan on doing things.

**WARMachine** · 09-15-2008, 06:36 PM

+1 for option 2...

Awesome cycle! Maybe add some Mast in there too?

**Phate** · 09-15-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

You are too young. Just a child.

Read these forums....

When you SHOULDN'T use AAS imho....

bro, amorphic is one of the most knowledgable people here, especially for his age, so this statement has no backing

**bbuilder** · 09-15-2008, 07:07 PM

bro, amorphic is one of the most knowledgable people here, especially for his age, so this statement has no backing

Good for him. Then he knows at his age he shouldn't be doing gear correct?

If he's so "knowledgeable" I would never think someone with "knowledge" would think about doing gear at an age where the body is already producing enough test and GH for a small cycle.

What do you think?

**Phate** · 09-15-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

Good for him. Then he knows at his age he shouldn't be doing gear correct?

If he's so "knowledgeable" I would never think someone with "knowledge" would think about doing gear at an age where the body is already producing enough test and GH for a small cycle.

What do you think?

good points, but do you know his stats? or his bloodwork? and "enough test and gh for a small cycle" hardly, can you tell me how much hgh and test a normal person produces daily(btw this is assuming that morph is in the normal range) and i think after several years of researching that amorphic is more than qualified to decide if he is ready

but to his credit, he asked the board first, which if i remember correctly we said that he was ready if he chose to

**stpete** · 09-15-2008, 07:15 PM

I like option 2.

**bbuilder** · 09-15-2008, 07:17 PM

can you tell me how much hgh and test a normal person produces daily

Yes I can, but to me a "normal" person is someone that is older then 25. Someone younger is making a small cycle and does not NEED ANY for of gear. They are making enough.

I would think you of all people would know this and it doesn't need to be said.

**Phate** · 09-15-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

Yes I can, but to me a "normal" person is someone that is older then 25. Someone younger is making a small cycle and does not NEED ANY for of gear. They are making enough.

I would think you of all people would know this and it doesn't need to be said.

well, what is the normal range for test and gh produced

and yes i know this, but psychiologically i am "ready" for AAS, i have bloodwork, closed plates etc.. to prove it, due to a car accident, but i still want to wait a while, this is a personal choice and not something that anyone can make for me

again, don't take this as a personal insult, i am merely having a good debate with a knowlegable and worthy opponent

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 07:28 PM

lol. thanks phate.

i dont want this to turn into some kind of pissing match. im 22 years old, 5'10, 212 pounds, that is my limit. my body isnt capable of getting any heavier without enhancement.

personally i consider 21 to be the earliest anyone should start a cycle. i waited until i was 22 so i dont personally believe i am too young to be doing what i am doing

**Phate** · 09-15-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

lol. thanks phate.

i dont want this to turn into some kind of pissing match. im 22 years old, 5'10, 212 pounds, that is my limit. my body isnt capable of getting any heavier without enhancement.

personally i consider 21 to be the earliest anyone should start a cycle. i waited until i was 22 so i dont personally believe i am too young to be doing what i am doing

sorry bro, shouldn't have used your thread to start a debate, but it was calling my name, lol

**Amorphic** · 09-15-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

sorry bro, shouldn't have used your thread to start a debate, but it was calling my name, lol

lol i have no problem with the debate bro. all valid points to consider. obviously what is right for me is not going to be right for everyone etc.

**Phate** · 09-15-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

lol i have no problem with the debate bro. all valid points to consider. obviously what is right for me is not going to be right for everyone etc.

definitely, i'm still struggling with when i should start, its a constant debate with myself, maybe i should start a thread

**Phate** · 09-16-2008, 09:49 PM

bump for my bro morph

**Amorphic** · 09-16-2008, 10:28 PM

thanks phate.

last call boys. anyone have any final thoughts etc?

**Reed** · 09-16-2008, 10:35 PM

Get it done!!

**Kale** · 09-16-2008, 10:42 PM

Good to go with Option 2 especially for your height and weight. The call on your age is a valid one though but it is your decision. One thing I would like to say with all the comments I read about what kids produce with regards to Test and GH naturally, has anyone ever done a study that validates these comments ? And to me unless there test levels are over the top of the range then this argument is mute. The only argument is the long term impact that early use of steroids will have on the Endocrine system, that is a way bigger issue IMO

**Amorphic** · 09-16-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

Good to go with Option 2 especially for your height and weight. The call on your age is a valid one though but it is your decision. One thing I would like to say with all the comments I read about what kids produce with regards to Test and GH naturally, has anyone ever done a study that validates these comments ? And to me unless there test levels are over the top of the range then this argument is mute. The only argument is the long term impact that early use of steroids will have on the Endocrine system, that is a way bigger issue IMO

agreed. i think the whole 'enough test and gh for a small cycle' mentality is prett overdone and parroted. i might get pre cycle bloodwork done before i start this one so we can get an idea of what my levels are at.

**Phate** · 09-17-2008, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

agreed. i think the whole 'enough test and gh for a small cycle' mentality is prett overdone and parroted. i might get pre cycle bloodwork done before i start this one so we can get an idea of what my levels are at.

i agree, thats why i asked him for numbers or studies but he never posted them so oh well